Florida: Complaints over restaurants not complying with smoking ban

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[SheLion]

DUVAL COUNTY, FL -- Florida's smoking ban was officially put into place on July 1st but not everyone is abiding. The state has had close to 800 complaints on restaurants that are not complying with the rules.

In Duval County, there have been 19 complaints with the majority coming from customers of RP McMurphy's located in Jacksonville Beach. The restaurant has received a warning and has 30 days to comply.

[Heyworth]

I love it when people point to the Nazis and say "they were in favor of A, therefore A is bad." Nazis were also in favor of modern, four-lane highways, does that mean the interstates are Nazi? Nazis were big on family and childbirth (they had medals for prolific mothers). Does that means family and childbirth are automatically bad? Nazis were big on the health of the race, so they opposed smoking. Does that mean automatically that smoking is good?

[Madame Dufarge]

mean people.

Probably got a case full of "Mean People Suck" bumper stickers in his cellar.

[E Rocc]

Probably got a case full of "Mean People Suck" bumper stickers in his cellar.

I have a T-shirt that suggests what nice people do if "mean people suck", but if I posted the slogan I might get banned. >:)

-Eric

[SheLion]

Have you ever taken an economics course? Do you really belong on this board? You sound like a classic socialist and communist.

He won't even read what you wrote. He is one of the worse in Free Republic. Free? I wonder what FREE means to HIM???!!!

[VRWC_minion]

nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation."

I agree that the owners should be compensated for the taking of their property mrasured by the decrease in profits due to the smoking ban.

Unfortunately two groups disagree with me. The smokers disagree because they really don't gove two craps about the owner, they just want to be able to smoke and compensating the owner doesn't get them the result they want.

The second "group" is the courts who have ruled that this only applies to a full taking of the property. An imposistion of a regulation or law doesn't constitute a complete taking. I happen to disagree but then I'm not the judge.

[VRWC_minion]

On what grounds?

Its a taking of property and should be compensated for based on lost profits. The tricky part is calculating lost profits and the length of time.

[Shryke]

The smokers disagree because they really don't gove two craps about the owner, they just want to be able to smoke and compensating the owner doesn't get them the result they want.

Untrue. I've never seen a smoker try to enact legislation to force an owner to allow smoking, if he chooses not to have it. Have you? We respect private property rights.

[SheLion]

Besides, many restaurants and bars have open areas where non-smokers and smokers hang out together.

That's great in Florida! They are starting a new ban in Maine come 1 January. ALL bars and taverns. The restaurants in Maine have been smoke free since 1999. Now they are taking away the bars and taverns. Can you imagine trying to smoke outside a bar or tavern in January, February and March? With the sub zero temperatures? That is why I won't be spending my money out anymore for recreation. They can keep it for themselves. I will stay at home, order in and have friends over.

[Just another Joe]

Then the founders of our states are socialists.

I'm from MO. Show me.

[VRWC_minion]

Interesting. Apparently you would condone illegalization of smoking in a car and a home.

No, only around children. I think its abusive and parents should be held responsible for it.

[metesky]

What an altruist, the classic sign of a liberal.

[SheLion]

While I support the ban. I do not support the kind of stupid, paper intensive, bureacratic stuff that She Lion is referring to. That mentality, that if it's not documented on paper then it didn't happen, is what is killing the Medical community and driving costs through the roof.

Excuse me? hehe! Your on my list bub.

The BIG LIE That Smoking is an Economic Burden To Society

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Remember how Hitler loved dogs?

Dog lovers are Nazis.....

[Madame Dufarge]

I will have HOUSE PARTIES

Well, let's take turns ;-)

[Publius6961]

Concentrations of some of these substances are increased in Second Hand Smoke; twice the amount of tars and nicotine, and three times the amount of carbon monoxide." - from asthma.about.com

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Sounds more like it's from iamadoofus.com or letsmakeupstuff.com

[Shryke]

No, only around children. I think its abusive and parents should be held responsible for it.

I, personally, don't smoke around children in confined areas. Does this mean I would actually vote for a law that enters someone's private property and disallows legal acts? NO NO NO. If you think a law destroying private property rights is going to somehow increase children's health, or make "abusive" parents "good", I would argue that you are sadly mistaken.

[markman46]

so to put it simply you are for any goverment intervention on Second Hand Smoke period. sorry what what I do in my own home is my business, and not the goverments, if I or my wife smoke in front of our grandkids, I will do that and risk the Suppost jail/fine.

[Protagoras]

Dog lovers are Nazis.....

No, Nazis are dog lovers.

[SheLion]

By the way I disagree with Steely Glint on the issue.

That's fine. But like I said there are a lot of Conservative Smokers in Free Republic. When someone like him comes in and starts to trash his own just because we smoke, well, I won't stand for it.

We are decent people, and I won't stand for the likes of him and Minnie coming into our Smoking Threads and trying to make us look like fools. Many of us have studied this issue for a long time.

We do not take the words of Phillip Morris and the anti-smoking health fanatics to heart. We enjoy a legal commodity. And we are fighting for the rights of the business owner. I see no ill harm in this. If the government continues on, all our rights will be taken from us. Surely, you don't want to see that happen.

Also, I have health insurance. The state won't be taking care of me. I pay my own way!

[Ben Bolt]

I'm not suprised that you would write something such as this .