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Philippine President Duterte blasts Bible creation story: 'Who is this stupid God?'
GMA Network ^ | 06/22/2018

Posted on 06/23/2018 11:34:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

After ranting about the Catholic Church, the President of the Philippines now has a beef with the concept of 'original sin' in the Genesis creation story

MANILA, Philippines – After recent tirades against priests and the Church's "hypocrisy," Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte cursed God and called God "stupid" for the concept of "original sin" in the Bible's creation story.

Duterte, on Friday, June 22, began with retelling the story of Adam and Eve and how they ate the fruit from the forbidden tree and thus brought original sin upon humankind.

"Kinain ni Adam (Adam ate it) then malice was born. Who is this stupid God? Istupido talaga itong putangina kung ganoon (That son of a bitch is stupid if that's the case)," said Duterte during a summit in Davao City.

"You created something perfect and then you think of an event that would tempt and destroy the quality of your work," he continued.

The President, a Catholic, said he finds it preposterous that babies should be born with original sin.

"Tsuk tsak lang 'yun ng nanay pati tatay mo wala ka pang kasali tapos ngayon may original sin ka. Tanginang klase – anong klaseng relihiyon 'yan? 'Yan ang hindi ko matanggap. What a stupid proposition," said an incensed Duterte.

(That was your mother and father's deed, you weren't born yet, but now you have original sin. What kind of religion is that? I can't accept it.)

Yet after this tirade, Duterte insists he still believes in a greater being. It's religion and institutions he does not trust.

"I believe there is a universal mind. But [to] what extent is the influence of the – I cannot picture him as a human being…But I really believe, i have this faith and abiding thing about – but don't believe in religion," he said.

Before his rant against God, Duterte had outraged Catholics when, during the launch of his presidential campaign over two years ago, he cursed Pope Francis for causing traffic in Manila.

Duterte also made similar remarks in his meeting with the Filipino community in South Korea on June 3. Also citing the story of Adam and Eve, Duterte said in South Korea, “Kung ’yan ang Diyos ng Katoliko, torpe ‘yan. Maghanap ka ng Diyos na tama.”

A week after Duterte made these comments in South Korea, Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas wrote a stinging reflection about people cursing God. (READ: He is insane. He is possessed.)

“The list of cuss words against God is endless. God is still God and those who have cursed Him are now dust,” Villegas said in a reflection on June 10.

“When you spit upwards, your spit will return to your face. The more you spit at God, the more spit you bring to your face. It is the law of gravity. It is also the law of divine justice,” he added.

Villegas, former president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines, also urged Catholics to pray for people who teach them error.

“Dear children, as for those who dare to teach you error, pray for them and forgive them. They might be insane or possessed. They need God. They need your prayers and love and compassion,” said Villegas.

After fierce criticism for his threats against priests amidst recent killings of clergymen, Duterte insisted in a speech that he "respects" the Church.


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To: dfwgator

I think he wants to run for Governor in California.


61 posted on 06/24/2018 6:08:16 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"Given the choice between a Biblical and a post-Biblical moral code/ceremonial, I choose the Biblical."

Me too.

Although I know we would differ on our assessment of the Biblical.

62 posted on 06/24/2018 6:19:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For peace within your gates, speak truth and judge with sound judgment." - Zechariah 8:16)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; knarf; boatbums
It's meant as mockery of the dumb idea that with reference to pregnancy, the man is a Dindu Nuffin.

Sigh. That’s what I meant, when I said the men are experts at bola bola. Since I rarely agree with you, My wife and I both thought your intention was to insult Philippine women. So, I took what you said literally, because I couldn’t detect your sarcasm, through your keyboard.
This is one of those rare occurrences, that I actually DO agree with you. Of course the women don’t irrationally implicate men. There is way too much bola bola (males flattering females) going on. I just wish more of them wouldn’t fall for it.
The first time I met my wife, she smiled, and said I could bola bola with the best of them, but she hung around, and married me. By all means, carry on. I will be in the area all day. By the way, feel free to congratulate my son. He is training to be an Air Force Global Hawk pilot.

63 posted on 06/24/2018 7:33:21 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: knarf
Un frikkin’ believable !

By the looks of things, from when you visited us, you have done your share of bola bola too. 😁🎩👍

64 posted on 06/24/2018 10:46:11 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Mark17
...bola bola (males flattering females)...

What about the alob alob (females flattering males)?

Now THAT is something most men can NEVER resist!!

65 posted on 06/25/2018 4:25:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
What about the alob alob (females flattering males)?

Now THAT is something most men can NEVER resist!!

I could not resist being flattered by Philippine women either, and I didn’t. I married her. 😁 Most of them don’t care about age differences either. My wife doesn’t 👍 To them, age is just a number. I like that. 😊

66 posted on 06/25/2018 5:30:49 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Since Duterte said two years ago “I believe in one god, Allah,” I doubt he would even permit, via advance directives, a Catholic funeral Mass.

He IDs as a (dissident) Catholic, and uses God and Allah interchangeably, and thus falls into the category of a liberal V2 RC. And which council basically affirmed God and Allah as being the same, since it states that they, "along with us adore the one and merciful God." (Lumen Gentium 16) And the god of Islam is not some unknown god," (Acts 17) but a theologically defined deity.

67 posted on 06/25/2018 4:08:12 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
"He IDs as a (dissident) Catholic, and uses God and Allah interchangeably, and thus falls into the category of a liberal V2 RC.

Inasmuch as anyone is a "dissident" "liberal" Catholic, he is, to that extent, a "post-Catholic" or even an "anti-Catholic." That goes for anyone, including Tío_Hagan_Lío@Rome.

But with reference to the Muslim thing, I'll go further.

Since you are a perceptive reader, I think that by reading further you may recognize that what you are offering here is an a fragmentary concept without context. As a stand-alone, it is a distortion.

The V2 documents, and the Catechism sections which reference them, make no statement on the salvation of Muslims as Muslims, but says that they (like Jews, non-believers, and all the rest of the human race who are discussed in this section of the Catechism) are "part of the plan of salvation," inasmuch as they are called to repent and believe the Gospel. This section includes with this important paragraph:

#844: "In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair."

It ends up with this call to evangelism:

#848: "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

I used to teach a course called "Reading with Context for Comprehension".

68 posted on 06/25/2018 5:22:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For peace within your gates, speak truth and judge with sound judgment." - Zechariah 8:16)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Inasmuch as anyone is a "dissident" "liberal" Catholic, he is, to that extent, a "post-Catholic" or even an "anti-Catholic." That goes for anyone, including Tío_Hagan_Lío@Rome.

You tried this before remember? And were shown that it is not your place/you have no authority to even pronounce that one is excommunicated when Rome does not, but manifestly treats such as members in life and in death.

But as usual, you just keep on posting what has been refuted.

Since you are a perceptive reader, I think that by reading further you may recognize that what you are offering here is an a fragmentary concept without context. As a stand-alone, it is a distortion. The V2 documents, and the Catechism sections which reference them, make no statement on the salvation of Muslims as Muslims, (like Jews, non-believers, and all the rest of the human race who are discussed in this section of the Catechism) are "part of the plan of salvation," inasmuch as they are called to repent and believe the Gospel. This section includes with this important paragraph: ..I used to teach a course called "Reading with Context for Comprehension".

And you as a a perceptive reader, who used to teach a course called Reading with Context for Comprehension," think that I charged Rome with saying Muslims as Muslims, were saved? Rather, I said that Rome states that they worship the same God as Catholics (like as Jews do, even if not salvifically).

Just what part of "the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God," do you not understand? The text clearly says Muslims worship the same God as you all, resulting in the unofficial Catholic Internet Magisterium scrambling to cover for their church-god (would you like to try your spin?), rather than admit V2 was the work of competing factions, and that the liberals won here.

In Nostra Aetate Rome also says Muslims the worship the same God as Catholics, "They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth ." And "They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan , to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. " -Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3, October 28, 1965

And if you want to see (unlikely) further conformation that Rome did mean that Muslims are worshipers of the same god, read some of their papal professions given to Muslims, plus the prolix platitudes of your own bishops whom you are to follow:

We feel sure that as representatives of Islam, you join in our prayers to the Almighty, that he may grant all African believers the desire for pardon and reconciliation so often commended in the Gospels and in the Qur’an... We gladly recall also those confessors of the Muslim faith who were the first to suffer death, in the year 1848, for refusing to transgress the precepts of their religion.” — Paul VI, address to the Islamic communities of Uganda, August 1, 1969.
I deliberately address you as brothers: that is certainly what we are, because we are members of the same human family, whose efforts, whether people realize it or not, tend toward God and the truth that comes from him. But we are especially brothers in God, who created us and whom we are trying to reach, in our own ways, through faith, prayer and worship, through the keeping of his law and through submission to his designs...
Dear Muslims, my brothers: I would like to add that we Christians, just like you, seek the basis and model of mercy in God himself, the God to whom your Book gives the very beautiful name of al-Rahman, while the Bible calls him al-Rahum, the Merciful One.” - John Paul II, address to representatives of Muslims of the Philippines, February 20, 1981
As Christians and Muslims, we encounter one another in faith in the one God, our Creator and guide, our just and merciful judge. - John Paul II, address to representatives of the Muslims of Belgium, May 19, 1985
We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection...Both of us believe in one God, the only God, - John Paul II , address to the young Muslims of Morocco, August 19, 1985
Christians and Muslims, together with the followers of the Jewish religion, belong to what can be called ‘the tradition of Abraham.’..Our Creator and our final judge desires that we live together. Our God is a God of peace, who desires peace among those who live according to His commandments. Our God is the holy God who desires that those who call upon Him live in ways that are holy and upright. -John Paul II, address to Islamic leaders of Senegal, Dakar, February 22, 1992. More: http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/interreligious/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam.cfm

Thus your whole sophist attempt at damage control fails once again, and the intellectual dishonestly of the protectors of Rome when faced with such as the above is itself an argument against being a RC.


69 posted on 06/25/2018 7:02:55 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: piasa

Yes. Shortly after he took office, he received much praise from several posters, mostly the strident Drug Warriors. They applauded how Duterte was killing even the most casual drug users without a trial.

I guess they are feeling silly right now.


70 posted on 06/25/2018 9:09:25 PM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl (Free Tommy Robinson!)
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To: daniel1212
Some guys I know, took a picture of the leather bound Bible, with his name on it, that they presented to Duterte. Now, whatever he may have said about God/Allah, may very well have been politically motivated, since he was not trying to alienate millions of Muslims, in Mindanao. That is my opinion. I believe, however, the attack on Marawi, really soured him on the muzzies. 60+ AFP soldiers were killed in retaking it. He was, shall we say, a little hot under the collar over it.
Now, many people make the mistake of thinking that everyone else in the world, thinks like they do. Maybe the world would be a better place if they did, but they don’t. Now, November, 2009, Maguindanao province. The Ampatuan clan murdered 58 members of the Mangudadatu clan. Mangudadatu was not there, but his wife, two sisters, and 55 others were mowed down, St Valentine’s Day massacre style. Two years later, another attempt was made on the life of Mangudadatu, at Tacurong, Sultan Kudarat. 2 dead, 6 wounded. To this day, as far as I know, not one single person has ever been held accountable, for many different reasons. This is the siege mentality these people live under. They know that mostly they will never get justice. Does anyone, with an IQ higher than Maxine Waters, think the people are happy with this garbage? I can guarantee you, they are not. So, rightly, or wrongly, this has a lot to do with how the people react. The Philippine media, are just as dishonest as the American media. 90% of the news, is fake news.
Maybe next time, Sara, the current mayor of Davao City will run. She, like her dad, has no time for foolishness. My wife will probably vote for her too. She already voted for elder DU30.
71 posted on 06/26/2018 2:21:10 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: daniel1212

"...visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs --- we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?” (Acts 2:10-12)

I'm reading some interesting stuff from a Christian brother, Alvin Plantinga, which I'd like to discuss.

However, if you truly see me as a "sophist" and "intellectually dishonest," as you said, then we have no basis for discussion and I would urge you to stop casting your pearls before a swine like me.

On the other hand, if you are willing to reconsider and give me a reprieve from your contempt, the above verse, plus some thoughts from Plantinga, are what I'd like to look into with you.

That, my brother, is what I would prefer.

"... Arabs: "We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” (Acts 2:10-12)

When the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles in Jerusalem on the first Pentecost, 570 years before the birth of Muhammad, it says they addressed the multi-lingual crowd in such a way that each heard their words in his or her own language. It also says that among the crowd were Arabs. It is a reasonable inference that if they heard the word "God" in their own tongue, they heard the word "Allah".

“What does this mean?” (Acts 2:10-12)

I'm reading a very interesting book called "Warranted Christian Belief," by Alvin Plantinga. As far as I can make out, he's exploring the epistemological question of the relationship between, say "knowing about Christ" vs "knowing Christ" vs "accepting Christian belief." Is it reasonable or justifiable to accept the Christian God without using any of the Christian vocabulary? What if a person knows and loves some true things about the True God, but mixed with some false things, and with significant gaps?

What if this person, impelled by the Spirit, is seeking to serve God but is encumbered with an imperfect knowledge which is fragmentary and garbled?

As far as I can see, a person who, by a movement or inspiration of the Spirit, seeks God, will find Him.

Jeremiah 29:13
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

Matthew 7:8
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

It is on the basis of God's sovereignty -- His complete freedom to save souls as He desires --- that God can both bring any person to saving faith, and by that faith make the soul entirely His own in merciful love.

This I believe on the basis of His Word:

1 Timothy 2:4
God wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

Let's talk.


Aside on the Christ-rejecting Duterte in a separate post.

72 posted on 06/26/2018 7:37:06 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For peace within your gates, speak truth and judge with sound judgment." - Zechariah 8:16)
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To: daniel1212
(Aside on Duterte: It seems to me that you are approaching Duterte's posited "Catholicism" as a de jure judgment. I didn't claim that I had the authority to excommunicate anybody or to pronounce any kind of ecclesiastical penalty de jure, I say, that in fact a person who publicly curses God (blasphemy), renounces the truths of the Faith (apostasy), or who adheres to a non-Christian religion (heresy) is de facto post-Catholic or anti-Catholic.

I would argue as well for any such person being excommunicated latae sentenciae, but canon law is actually not something I know a whole lot about. (One of my many areas of ignorance.)

Anyway, since he has publicly, flamboyantly cursed God (blasphemy), I would say it's solidly probable that this is true of Duterte. )

73 posted on 06/26/2018 7:39:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For peace within your gates, speak truth and judge with sound judgment." - Zechariah 8:16)
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To: hoosierham; All
"And the question is why place temptation if you,the all-knowing one, already know the tempted one will fail the test."

Yes, in fact Ephiasians 1:4-5 indicates that G-d chose believers in Jesus before the foundations of the earth were laid.

But consider that Isaiah 55:8-9 not only indicates that G-d’s thoughts aren't the thoughts of fallen man, that G-d’s thoughts are higher than our thoughts, but Psalms 94:11 indicates that the thoughts of man are futile.

In fact 1 Corinthians 1:19 tells us that G-d frustrates the "wisdom" of the world.

Fallen man must exercise a little faith in order to get some peace of mind about things like the question that you mentioned.

74 posted on 06/26/2018 9:16:10 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I'm reading some interesting stuff from a Christian brother, Alvin Plantinga, which I'd like to discuss. However, if you truly see me as a "sophist" and "intellectually dishonest," as you said, then we have no basis for discussion and I would urge you to stop casting your pearls before a swine like me. On the other hand, if you are willing to reconsider and give me a reprieve from your contempt, the above verse, plus some thoughts from Plantinga, are what I'd like to look into with you. That, my brother, is what I would prefer.

That depends upon what lever you want to operate on. Honest exchange or damage control sophistry.

When the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles in Jerusalem on the first Pentecost, 570 years before the birth of Muhammad, it says they addressed the multi-lingual crowd in such a way that each heard their words in his or her own language. It also says that among the crowd were Arabs. It is a reasonable inference that if they heard the word "God" in their own tongue, they heard the word "Allah".

And just how does this help you in you need to support affirming Muslims worship the same God as Catholics? Apparently you are inferring is that there was the equivalent of Muslims being described here. However, if you are going to try to make a Scriptural argument, then practice what you call "Reading with Context for Comprehension."

For what is left out of your quotes is the preface which states,

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language...Jews and proselytes.(Acts 2:5-6,10b)

This defines the hearers as .Jews and proselytes who thus were there for the feast of Pentecost, not some Muslims basic equivalents.

I'm reading a very interesting book called "Warranted Christian Belief," by Alvin Plantinga. As far as I can make out, he's exploring the epistemological question of the relationship between, say "knowing about Christ" vs "knowing Christ" vs "accepting Christian belief." Is it reasonable or justifiable to accept the Christian God without using any of the Christian vocabulary? What if a person knows and loves some true things about the True God, but mixed with some false things, and with significant gaps? What if this person, impelled by the Spirit, is seeking to serve God but is encumbered with an imperfect knowledge which is fragmentary and garbled?

This is akin to worshiping the unknown God (Acts 17) which i already stated was not a viable argument. Indeed one can be worshiper of God even though they have some aspects of ignorance or misunderstanding. Moreover, it is possible that there are some converted souls in aberrant groups (relative to the deviant nature of them, so that there are more actual believers in Catholicism than Mormonism, yet more in the latter than the JW's...).

However, the statement at issue in Lumen Gentium 16 is NOT addressing Jews or some possible individuals in some group, including worshippers some unknown god which has no definition, but it is addressing a religion as a whole, which theologically defines its god in such a degree and way that it is clear that it is not the god of the Hebrew or Greek NT, and which it attacks.

As far as I can see, a person who, by a movement or inspiration of the Spirit, seeks God, will find Him. It is on the basis of God's sovereignty -- His complete freedom to save souls as He desires --- that God can both bring any person to saving faith, and by that faith make the soul entirely His own in merciful love.

Which again is a vain support for affirming a pagan religion as a whole as being worshiper of the true God, for we are not dealing with a Cornelius, but a whole pagan religion, and which worships a demon!

Thus your further attempt at damage control fails, and if the SBC said what Lumen Gentium said then no RC would allow such attempts as yours to explain it as not affirming Muslims worship the same God as them.

75 posted on 06/26/2018 8:01:23 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
(Aside on Duterte: It seems to me that you are approaching Duterte's posited "Catholicism" as a de jure judgment. I didn't claim that I had the authority to excommunicate anybody or to pronounce any kind of ecclesiastical penalty de jure, I say, that in fact a person who publicly curses God (blasphemy), renounces the truths of the Faith (apostasy), or who adheres to a non-Christian religion (heresy) is de facto post-Catholic or anti-Catholic. I would argue as well for any such person being excommunicated latae sentenciae, but canon law is actually not something I know a whole lot about. (One of my many areas of ignorance.) Anyway, since he has publicly, flamboyantly cursed God (blasphemy), I would say it's solidly probable that this is true of Duterte. )

You can say what wish, but it remains that Rome is the one who interprets canon law, which Scripturally is manifest by what they do. And thus one is "de facto post-Catholic or anti-Catholic" unless Rome manifests that this is their judgment. And given her affirmation of Teddy K Catholics and even Chavez, what i said is warranted, that we can expect Rome would call and treat Duterte a son of the church at death, without any manifest repentance,.

And the judgment of your leadership is what you are to follow, without public dissent, versus being essentially Protestant in judging your church based upon your interpretation of what she teaches and protesting it publicly.

76 posted on 06/26/2018 8:01:30 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
Following God's law, or an objective sense of moral reality: is that "being essentially Protestant in judging your church based upon your interpretation of what she teaches and protesting it publicly"?

No. The administration of the Church is subordinate to God's law, and not the other way around. That is not distinctively Protestant: it goes back to the NT and the earliest days of Catholicism.

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!"

What we've got going on here is a nearly unprecedented situation:

First, a pope who opposes the papal magisterium. Huh. Full stop. Take a deep breath.

Which is to say, he upholds things that would not have been accepted by the prophets of Israel or the Fathers of the Church, let alone by any of his predecessors nor any canonized saint.

And second, following this disoriented shepherd at the top, we've got wolves inside the sheepfold ravaging whomever they can grab, and scattering the rest.

Not that this all originated on March 13, 2013 with Tio_Hagan_Lio@Rome. Christopher Dawson (LINK) says the Church goes through a period of ass-over-elbows about every 300 years. Things had slid badly in the late '60's-early 70's, to sum up the history of this unsettled seventh cycle in one breath. But the beginning of this pontificate was a true watershed, and a very ominous one.

I may be surprised, but none of this is taking God by surprise. All this is in accordance with prophecy.

To get back to the question of what the Catholic Hierarchy of the Philippines will do upon the death of Dutarte, I do not know. God's mercy being powerful, Dutarte could repent. Or the bishops could act on the grace of their vocation and judge with justice. For this we pray. We'll see, won't we?

But if you opined that the Catholic Church would be much more credible if our Catholic hierarchs would think like Catholics, talk like Catholics and act like Catholics, we will agree. The Church would be immeasurably better off; and all the world.

77 posted on 06/27/2018 7:25:08 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. Yogi Berra)
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To: SeekAndFind

The news media needs to stop identifying this guy as a Catholic. He’s about as Catholic as was Julian the Apostate.


78 posted on 06/27/2018 7:30:06 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Antoninus

Here’s the thing about the Roman Catholic Church ... Once you are baptized catholic, you are still considered to be a member of the church, even if you declare yourself atheist later.


79 posted on 06/27/2018 7:32:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Here’s the thing about the Roman Catholic Church ... Once you are baptized catholic, you are still considered to be a member of the church, even if you declare yourself atheist later.

False. According to Canon Law: "An apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication."

Code of Canon Law: Penalties for Individual Delicts. Title I. Delicts against Religion and the Unity of the Church
80 posted on 06/27/2018 8:32:07 AM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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