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To: daniel1212
(Aside on Duterte: It seems to me that you are approaching Duterte's posited "Catholicism" as a de jure judgment. I didn't claim that I had the authority to excommunicate anybody or to pronounce any kind of ecclesiastical penalty de jure, I say, that in fact a person who publicly curses God (blasphemy), renounces the truths of the Faith (apostasy), or who adheres to a non-Christian religion (heresy) is de facto post-Catholic or anti-Catholic.

I would argue as well for any such person being excommunicated latae sentenciae, but canon law is actually not something I know a whole lot about. (One of my many areas of ignorance.)

Anyway, since he has publicly, flamboyantly cursed God (blasphemy), I would say it's solidly probable that this is true of Duterte. )

73 posted on 06/26/2018 7:39:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For peace within your gates, speak truth and judge with sound judgment." - Zechariah 8:16)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
(Aside on Duterte: It seems to me that you are approaching Duterte's posited "Catholicism" as a de jure judgment. I didn't claim that I had the authority to excommunicate anybody or to pronounce any kind of ecclesiastical penalty de jure, I say, that in fact a person who publicly curses God (blasphemy), renounces the truths of the Faith (apostasy), or who adheres to a non-Christian religion (heresy) is de facto post-Catholic or anti-Catholic. I would argue as well for any such person being excommunicated latae sentenciae, but canon law is actually not something I know a whole lot about. (One of my many areas of ignorance.) Anyway, since he has publicly, flamboyantly cursed God (blasphemy), I would say it's solidly probable that this is true of Duterte. )

You can say what wish, but it remains that Rome is the one who interprets canon law, which Scripturally is manifest by what they do. And thus one is "de facto post-Catholic or anti-Catholic" unless Rome manifests that this is their judgment. And given her affirmation of Teddy K Catholics and even Chavez, what i said is warranted, that we can expect Rome would call and treat Duterte a son of the church at death, without any manifest repentance,.

And the judgment of your leadership is what you are to follow, without public dissent, versus being essentially Protestant in judging your church based upon your interpretation of what she teaches and protesting it publicly.

76 posted on 06/26/2018 8:01:30 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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