You tried this before remember? And were shown that it is not your place/you have no authority to even pronounce that one is excommunicated when Rome does not, but manifestly treats such as members in life and in death.
But as usual, you just keep on posting what has been refuted.
Since you are a perceptive reader, I think that by reading further you may recognize that what you are offering here is an a fragmentary concept without context. As a stand-alone, it is a distortion. The V2 documents, and the Catechism sections which reference them, make no statement on the salvation of Muslims as Muslims, (like Jews, non-believers, and all the rest of the human race who are discussed in this section of the Catechism) are "part of the plan of salvation," inasmuch as they are called to repent and believe the Gospel. This section includes with this important paragraph: ..I used to teach a course called "Reading with Context for Comprehension".
And you as a a perceptive reader, who used to teach a course called Reading with Context for Comprehension," think that I charged Rome with saying Muslims as Muslims, were saved? Rather, I said that Rome states that they worship the same God as Catholics (like as Jews do, even if not salvifically).
Just what part of "the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God," do you not understand? The text clearly says Muslims worship the same God as you all, resulting in the unofficial Catholic Internet Magisterium scrambling to cover for their church-god (would you like to try your spin?), rather than admit V2 was the work of competing factions, and that the liberals won here.
In Nostra Aetate Rome also says Muslims the worship the same God as Catholics, "They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth ." And "They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan , to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. " -Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3, October 28, 1965
And if you want to see (unlikely) further conformation that Rome did mean that Muslims are worshipers of the same god, read some of their papal professions given to Muslims, plus the prolix platitudes of your own bishops whom you are to follow:
We feel sure that as representatives of Islam, you join in our prayers to the Almighty, that he may grant all African believers the desire for pardon and reconciliation so often commended in the Gospels and in the Qur’an... We gladly recall also those confessors of the Muslim faith who were the first to suffer death, in the year 1848, for refusing to transgress the precepts of their religion.” — Paul VI, address to the Islamic communities of Uganda, August 1, 1969.
“I deliberately address you as brothers: that is certainly what we are, because we are members of the same human family, whose efforts, whether people realize it or not, tend toward God and the truth that comes from him. But we are especially brothers in God, who created us and whom we are trying to reach, in our own ways, through faith, prayer and worship, through the keeping of his law and through submission to his designs...
“Dear Muslims, my brothers: I would like to add that we Christians, just like you, seek the basis and model of mercy in God himself, the God to whom your Book gives the very beautiful name of al-Rahman, while the Bible calls him al-Rahum, the Merciful One.” - John Paul II, address to representatives of Muslims of the Philippines, February 20, 1981
“As Christians and Muslims, we encounter one another in faith in the one God, our Creator and guide, our just and merciful judge. - John Paul II, address to representatives of the Muslims of Belgium, May 19, 1985
We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection...Both of us believe in one God, the only God, - John Paul II , address to the young Muslims of Morocco, August 19, 1985
Christians and Muslims, together with the followers of the Jewish religion, belong to what can be called ‘the tradition of Abraham.’..Our Creator and our final judge desires that we live together. Our God is a God of peace, who desires peace among those who live according to His commandments. Our God is the holy God who desires that those who call upon Him live in ways that are holy and upright. -John Paul II, address to Islamic leaders of Senegal, Dakar, February 22, 1992. More: http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/interreligious/islam/vatican-council-and-papal-statements-on-islam.cfmThus your whole sophist attempt at damage control fails once again, and the intellectual dishonestly of the protectors of Rome when faced with such as the above is itself an argument against being a RC.
"...visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs --- we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?” (Acts 2:10-12)
I'm reading some interesting stuff from a Christian brother, Alvin Plantinga, which I'd like to discuss.
However, if you truly see me as a "sophist" and "intellectually dishonest," as you said, then we have no basis for discussion and I would urge you to stop casting your pearls before a swine like me.
On the other hand, if you are willing to reconsider and give me a reprieve from your contempt, the above verse, plus some thoughts from Plantinga, are what I'd like to look into with you.
That, my brother, is what I would prefer.
"... Arabs: "We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” (Acts 2:10-12)
When the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles in Jerusalem on the first Pentecost, 570 years before the birth of Muhammad, it says they addressed the multi-lingual crowd in such a way that each heard their words in his or her own language. It also says that among the crowd were Arabs. It is a reasonable inference that if they heard the word "God" in their own tongue, they heard the word "Allah".
“What does this mean?” (Acts 2:10-12)
I'm reading a very interesting book called "Warranted Christian Belief," by Alvin Plantinga. As far as I can make out, he's exploring the epistemological question of the relationship between, say "knowing about Christ" vs "knowing Christ" vs "accepting Christian belief." Is it reasonable or justifiable to accept the Christian God without using any of the Christian vocabulary? What if a person knows and loves some true things about the True God, but mixed with some false things, and with significant gaps?
What if this person, impelled by the Spirit, is seeking to serve God but is encumbered with an imperfect knowledge which is fragmentary and garbled?
As far as I can see, a person who, by a movement or inspiration of the Spirit, seeks God, will find Him.
Jeremiah 29:13
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.Matthew 7:8
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
It is on the basis of God's sovereignty -- His complete freedom to save souls as He desires --- that God can both bring any person to saving faith, and by that faith make the soul entirely His own in merciful love.
This I believe on the basis of His Word:
1 Timothy 2:4
God wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Let's talk.
Aside on the Christ-rejecting Duterte in a separate post.
I would argue as well for any such person being excommunicated latae sentenciae, but canon law is actually not something I know a whole lot about. (One of my many areas of ignorance.)
Anyway, since he has publicly, flamboyantly cursed God (blasphemy), I would say it's solidly probable that this is true of Duterte. )