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To: Mrs. Don-o
Since Duterte said two years ago “I believe in one god, Allah,” I doubt he would even permit, via advance directives, a Catholic funeral Mass.

He IDs as a (dissident) Catholic, and uses God and Allah interchangeably, and thus falls into the category of a liberal V2 RC. And which council basically affirmed God and Allah as being the same, since it states that they, "along with us adore the one and merciful God." (Lumen Gentium 16) And the god of Islam is not some unknown god," (Acts 17) but a theologically defined deity.

67 posted on 06/25/2018 4:08:12 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212
"He IDs as a (dissident) Catholic, and uses God and Allah interchangeably, and thus falls into the category of a liberal V2 RC.

Inasmuch as anyone is a "dissident" "liberal" Catholic, he is, to that extent, a "post-Catholic" or even an "anti-Catholic." That goes for anyone, including Tío_Hagan_Lío@Rome.

But with reference to the Muslim thing, I'll go further.

Since you are a perceptive reader, I think that by reading further you may recognize that what you are offering here is an a fragmentary concept without context. As a stand-alone, it is a distortion.

The V2 documents, and the Catechism sections which reference them, make no statement on the salvation of Muslims as Muslims, but says that they (like Jews, non-believers, and all the rest of the human race who are discussed in this section of the Catechism) are "part of the plan of salvation," inasmuch as they are called to repent and believe the Gospel. This section includes with this important paragraph:

#844: "In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair."

It ends up with this call to evangelism:

#848: "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

I used to teach a course called "Reading with Context for Comprehension".

68 posted on 06/25/2018 5:22:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For peace within your gates, speak truth and judge with sound judgment." - Zechariah 8:16)
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To: daniel1212
Some guys I know, took a picture of the leather bound Bible, with his name on it, that they presented to Duterte. Now, whatever he may have said about God/Allah, may very well have been politically motivated, since he was not trying to alienate millions of Muslims, in Mindanao. That is my opinion. I believe, however, the attack on Marawi, really soured him on the muzzies. 60+ AFP soldiers were killed in retaking it. He was, shall we say, a little hot under the collar over it.
Now, many people make the mistake of thinking that everyone else in the world, thinks like they do. Maybe the world would be a better place if they did, but they don’t. Now, November, 2009, Maguindanao province. The Ampatuan clan murdered 58 members of the Mangudadatu clan. Mangudadatu was not there, but his wife, two sisters, and 55 others were mowed down, St Valentine’s Day massacre style. Two years later, another attempt was made on the life of Mangudadatu, at Tacurong, Sultan Kudarat. 2 dead, 6 wounded. To this day, as far as I know, not one single person has ever been held accountable, for many different reasons. This is the siege mentality these people live under. They know that mostly they will never get justice. Does anyone, with an IQ higher than Maxine Waters, think the people are happy with this garbage? I can guarantee you, they are not. So, rightly, or wrongly, this has a lot to do with how the people react. The Philippine media, are just as dishonest as the American media. 90% of the news, is fake news.
Maybe next time, Sara, the current mayor of Davao City will run. She, like her dad, has no time for foolishness. My wife will probably vote for her too. She already voted for elder DU30.
71 posted on 06/26/2018 2:21:10 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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