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Abortion. It Ain’t An Easy Question.
EnglishCon ^ | 01/245/12 | EnglishCon

Posted on 01/24/2012 7:05:25 AM PST by EnglishCon

One of the questions I get a lot is what is my stand on abortion. To be flippant, I don’t stand on abortion, that is a heavy enough load for me to need to sit down and catch my breath.

Flippancy doesn’t really cut it.

I believe that, outside certain specific circumstances, abortion is wrong. I believe it is right for pregnancies which imperil the mother. Triage is an old part of medicine, and you save the one that is most likely to be salvagable. Usually, that is the mother. Rarely, it is the child, yet it happens.

I believe it is right for pregnancies resulting from rape or from incest. If there is a textbook definition of an unwanted child, it is the child of rape or incest, and I don’t want to go there. No decent man does. No woman should be expected to love and care for a child concieved in violence. The ladies - and that is the correct word - who carry to term and put the baby up for adoption or raise it get all my respect. But I would not force them to do so.

The rest - I dislike and disapprove of it. And it means absolutely Jack Shit. I am male. I will never be pregnant. I will never, unless I specifically wish it and go to court to fight for it, be left “holding the baby.” The option is there, but men should butt out of the discussion. We don’t have the skin in the game that women do.

Women have the right to decide their own fate. Their own path. One of the things I got from reading the bible and the Christian fathers is yeah, you can tell most of those guys were not married. They had far too high opinion of the “head of the household” influence.

The newer aspect, that the pill is actually an abortition tool because it prevents implantation of a fertilized zygote, I withhold judgement on. The pill hurts women. I don’t like it at all. It is a wee bit better now, but even 20 years ago it was a thing which caused cancers. A fertilized egg may not implant in the uterine lining, even in the best of circumstances.

Like many who believe in both life and rights, I find this issue a hard one to deal with.


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife; vanity
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To: ixtl

There have been 54.5 million abortions in the U.S.since Roe. Do the math.

I might add these are only the abortions we know of. The drs who perform them aren’t the most ethical so some go unreported I’m sure.

I’d encourage everyone to watch The Silent Scream on YouTube. It shows an ultrasound-guided abortion being done on a 12 week fetus. The baby recoils & opens it mouth in a “silent scream”. If you’re still on the fence after that or you still believe in exceptions, you don’t have a heart or a conscience.


61 posted on 01/24/2012 3:17:52 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I saw that video and it gave me very, very bad nightmares. Abortion is evil. How do these people who are involved in that industry sleep at night? May The Lord have mercy on their souls.


62 posted on 01/24/2012 3:23:08 PM PST by seoul62
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To: EyeGuy

That is indisputably accurate, yet the tendency to speak of men exclusively in terms of responsibility and almost never in terms of rights is entrenched in conservative circles as well.

Why?


63 posted on 01/24/2012 3:44:56 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: surroundedbyblue

But what is the source of the figure 54.5 million? It is easy to throw figures around, but have a valid source.

As for “The Silent Scream,” I saw it years ago. All I saw was an undifferentiated blob with a narrator giving a highly emotinal (feturs ‘recoiling in horror’) and subjective narrative.


64 posted on 01/24/2012 4:20:32 PM PST by ixtl ( You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)
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To: EnglishCon

Prayers for you and your wife.


65 posted on 01/24/2012 4:30:59 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cornelis

Amazing, isn’t it to see it in a graph form like this?


66 posted on 01/24/2012 4:32:27 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ixtl

An undifferentiated blob? Look again. And that “narrator” was the late Dr Bernard Nathanson. You should look him up.

As for the 54.5 million, that a fact, sir. Not some unsubstantiated figure. It was posted here on FR yesterday & a simple Google search will provide you with all the sources you could hope for.

For a FReeper, you seem rather uninformed. Then again, you don’t seem bothered much by the American holocaust that surrounds you


67 posted on 01/24/2012 4:48:15 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: EnglishCon

You wrote:

“I believe it is right for pregnancies resulting from rape or from incest.”

So, babies aren’t babies when daddy is a rapist or mommy’s brother? And, of course, Jews aren’t people either, right? I mean, if we’re going to say completely irrational and baseless things why not go all the way and be consistent?

“No decent man does.”

I do - and I’m decent enough to not want to kill an innocent baby. Wish you were too.

“No woman should be expected to love and care for a child concieved in violence.”

Okay. Adoption. Ever hear of it?


68 posted on 01/24/2012 4:59:20 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: ixtl; surroundedbyblue; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
But what is the source of the figure 54.5 million? It is easy to throw figures around, but have a valid source.

Here is the National Right to Life Fact Sheet showing OVER 55 MILLION ABORTIONS.

Here is the Guttmacher Institute Fact Sheet showing over 50 MILLION ABORTIONS through 2008 (Guttmacher is part of the abortion industry).

All I saw was an undifferentiated blob with a narrator giving a highly emotinal (feturs ‘recoiling in horror’) and subjective narrative.

"Undifferentiated blob"? Do you realize that you are using a pro-abortion term favored by the left?

69 posted on 01/24/2012 5:01:04 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ixtl

zot


70 posted on 01/24/2012 5:07:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: EnglishCon

“We don’t have the skin in the game that women do.”

Wrong.


71 posted on 01/24/2012 5:09:05 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: surroundedbyblue; TheOldLady; trisham
ixtl has been zotted, I guess he's just an "undifferentiated blob" now.
72 posted on 01/24/2012 5:10:42 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks Jim!
73 posted on 01/24/2012 5:11:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ixtl; wagglebee; Jim Thompson; darkwing104; 50mm; stephenjohnbanker; SunkenCiv; humblegunner; ...


So long, ixtl (Posting History)

Hat Tip to Wagglebee and Jim

Pro-abortion troll argues for killing babies and gets turned into a "mass of undifferentiated cells" by The Man Himself





We are Free Republic - We are pro life

           
Thank you JoeProBono

FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

74 posted on 01/24/2012 5:34:21 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: EnglishCon

Abortion is murder. It’s not difficult to understand. We just make it difficult.


75 posted on 01/24/2012 5:57:18 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: ixtl
I have said all I am going to on this subject.

Had you been honest in this post you might not have gotten the zot tonight. Soon, but maybe not tonight.

Idiot.

76 posted on 01/24/2012 6:02:40 PM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: ixtl
Rant all you want, I have said all I am going to on this subject.

You got that part right.


77 posted on 01/24/2012 6:07:50 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: TheOldLady

Ahhh...what a technicolor web he weaves.....

:)


78 posted on 01/24/2012 6:15:35 PM PST by luvie (Unleash the American People!!)
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To: ixtl; darkwing104; 50mm; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; Aircop_2006; ...
As for “The Silent Scream,” I saw it years ago. All I saw was an undifferentiated blob with a narrator giving a highly emotinal (feturs ‘recoiling in horror’) and subjective narrative.

Baby-killing fan and moron "ixtl" gets a well-deserved ZOT!

To be added or removed from the Viking Kitty/ZOT Ping List, FReepmail Darkwing104 or 50mm.

79 posted on 01/24/2012 6:38:04 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: EnglishCon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI

Watch this and get back to me.


80 posted on 01/24/2012 6:39:32 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs6qZd_xP1w)
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