Posted on 01/24/2012 7:05:25 AM PST by EnglishCon
One of the questions I get a lot is what is my stand on abortion. To be flippant, I don’t stand on abortion, that is a heavy enough load for me to need to sit down and catch my breath.
Flippancy doesn’t really cut it.
I believe that, outside certain specific circumstances, abortion is wrong. I believe it is right for pregnancies which imperil the mother. Triage is an old part of medicine, and you save the one that is most likely to be salvagable. Usually, that is the mother. Rarely, it is the child, yet it happens.
I believe it is right for pregnancies resulting from rape or from incest. If there is a textbook definition of an unwanted child, it is the child of rape or incest, and I don’t want to go there. No decent man does. No woman should be expected to love and care for a child concieved in violence. The ladies - and that is the correct word - who carry to term and put the baby up for adoption or raise it get all my respect. But I would not force them to do so.
The rest - I dislike and disapprove of it. And it means absolutely Jack Shit. I am male. I will never be pregnant. I will never, unless I specifically wish it and go to court to fight for it, be left “holding the baby.” The option is there, but men should butt out of the discussion. We don’t have the skin in the game that women do.
Women have the right to decide their own fate. Their own path. One of the things I got from reading the bible and the Christian fathers is yeah, you can tell most of those guys were not married. They had far too high opinion of the “head of the household” influence.
The newer aspect, that the pill is actually an abortition tool because it prevents implantation of a fertilized zygote, I withhold judgement on. The pill hurts women. I don’t like it at all. It is a wee bit better now, but even 20 years ago it was a thing which caused cancers. A fertilized egg may not implant in the uterine lining, even in the best of circumstances.
Like many who believe in both life and rights, I find this issue a hard one to deal with.
**believe it is right for pregnancies resulting from rape or from incest**
Never — offer the baby up for adoption.
Women even choose to die rather than to kill their own babies. Why should these instances be any different if the men and the women (doctors) have any consciences at all.
Hell yes, it matters. Of my three children, I provided half the DNA blueprint, but my wife did all the work, took all the risks (When is the last time you heard of a man dying in childbirth?).
Not going to get into an argument on ‘situational ethics’ as it is a no win for either side.
Rant all you want, I have said all I am going to on this subject.
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Wow! Take that, pacifists!
Do you have a list of other crimes for which you think the criminal's CHILD should be put to death?
If YOUR FATHER was to rape a woman, do you deserve to be killed?
If there is a textbook definition of an unwanted child, it is the child of rape or incest, and I don’t want to go there.
Unwanted by WHOM? If God did not want the child to be conceived, there would not have been a conception.
Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, (Jeremiah 1:5)
Talked to God both privately and in church and he has been rather quiet on this subject,
I believe He was quite clear when He said, "Thou shalt not kill."
Salvation.
Thank you. Seeing it presented like that actually made me throw up a little bit. That even this sinner can see is not just a sin, but a crime against rightness.
My wife and I have 4 children - would have been 5 but the 1st was an ectopic pregnancy and was terminated without discussion of the alternatives. We were both young and trusted doctors, at the time.
We have been blessed with 9 grandchildren (and counting) so in our family life, the question does not raise its head. My wife will not discuss the topic at all, and I shall not hurt her by raising it.
Hence I came here.
I respect the opinions of those in this thread stating that abortion is murder. I couldn’t agree more.
That being said, please remember that the only way the pro-life movement will succeed is by changing hearts.........not by winning arguments.
I believe the poster was looking for input and not challenging conservative ideals.
But you will be a father, and grandfather, and your posterity is all that will exist of you in an hundred years.
If you buy the idea that women are disadvantaged vis a vis men in this regard, there is probably nothing anyone can say to you tha will help.
But it's a lie, in any event.
It’s January 245th?
This month has been going even longer than I thought.
You have a nice day.
I am very grateful for the work that wagglebee has done here, and I wonder who else would have accomplished as much as he has. I don't know EnglishCon, but I do know wagglebee, and I respect him and his intensity in supporting life.
Courtesy ping to post #35.
I did not impugn his integrity nor his dedication. All I said was that not everything is a nail.
When one equates abortion with murder, which it is, it becomes less of an issue.
I know all the arguments for abortion, including the safety of the mother from back alley abortions, etc, but no matter how you look at it, whenever an abortion is performed, a person dies.
When the mother dies as well from a botched abortion, then sometimes two people die. And legalizing abortion has not kept women from dying as a result of the abortion so that argument fails as well.
As long as people only focus on the mother as being the only person involved and do not consider the humanity of the child she is bearing, then abortion will continue to be an issue.
On the bright side in this debate, is that my college aged daughters report a great number of their friends think that abortion is wrong because the baby IS a baby and abortion IS murder.
Matter of fact, my daughter and a couple friends talked a classmate out of an abortion recently and the girl is carrying the baby to term and they are all pulling together to help her in any way they can. And the parents of all involved are throwing their weight in behind them.
I understand.
I'm a no brainer.....
metmom
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