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Is Mary's Queenship Biblical? [Ecumenical]
CatholicAnswers-The Rock ^ | not given | Edward P. Sri

Posted on 08/22/2009 1:20:36 PM PDT by Salvation

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Today is the Feast of the Queenship of Mary.
1 posted on 08/22/2009 1:20:36 PM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 08/22/2009 1:22:24 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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3 posted on 08/22/2009 1:25:10 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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The first sentence:

“Mary’s title as “Queen of Heaven and Earth” is a great scandal to many non-Catholic Christians.”

makes the whole thing not worth reading. Denominations such as Episcopalians are Catholic Christians, just not Roman Catholic Christians. But the professor seems to imply that the only Catholics are Roman Catholics, which goes along with the Roman Catholic tendency (as least in my experience) to pooh pooh ‘lesser denominations’. eh


4 posted on 08/22/2009 1:33:07 PM PDT by jbp1 (be nice now)
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To: Salvation

I’ve never understood the problem. If Protestants believe that Mary was the mother of Jesus, both God and man, then why can they not think that his mother - who is not dead, but lives in Christ (who happened to be her son) - has a special connection with Our Lord?

The biggest problem that Protestants have is that they do not believe in the Communion of Saints (meaning, essentially, that the dead are part of our community, because God is eternal and if you are part of the Body of Christ, you are still part of the community, whether living or dead).


5 posted on 08/22/2009 1:34:50 PM PDT by livius
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To: Salvation

Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.


6 posted on 08/22/2009 1:37:57 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Salvation

Homily on the Queenship of Mary

Salvation, thanks for posting the article to highlight our Lady's feast day! God bless,

7 posted on 08/22/2009 1:42:32 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: livius
Jeremiah 44:15 - 23


15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,
16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee.
17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?
20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying,
21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and came it not into his mind?
22 So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.
23 Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.

8 posted on 08/22/2009 1:48:36 PM PDT by knarf
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I’ve never understood the problem. If Protestants believe that Mary was the mother of Jesus, both God and man, then why can they not think that his mother - who is not dead, but lives in Christ (who happened to be her son) - has a special connection with Our Lord?

Because Jesus personally rejected the concept of a "special" relationship. We see in Luke 11:27 that Jesus denies any special nature because of Mary's role as his mother, and says that she is not blessed because she bore Him, but that she would be blessed if she followed His words.

In fact, we are as close to Jesus as His mother, by his own words! See:

Matthew 12:46-50
Mark 3:31-35
Luke 8:19-21

Jesus makes it explicit: whomever follows His commandments is His family, equal to any "earthly" family He had. And she lives in Christ no more or less than any believer, per Jesus' words.

9 posted on 08/22/2009 1:49:42 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Salvation
See Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17; 44:18; 44:19; 44:25
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

10 posted on 08/22/2009 1:51:24 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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“I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, nor My praise to graven images.” Isaiah 42:8


11 posted on 08/22/2009 2:00:10 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Where's the birth certificate?)
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12 posted on 08/22/2009 2:01:22 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: livius

No special connection. Mary was a sinner born of a sinner. Both needed a Savior. Mary was chosen by God to be the human mother of Jesus. Jesus loved her but proscribed her special valuation in the Kingdom by iterating that his mother and sister and brother were those who did the will of God.

Mary had additional children and died and was buried on this earth.

She is neither the “Queen of Heaven.” which was a false idol in the book of Jeremiah. Nor is she the mother of God. Nor is she, more than others, the wife of God.

She was a wonderful and blessed woman. But she is not to be worshiped. And she is not the intercessor between God and men.


13 posted on 08/22/2009 2:45:17 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Life is tough. It is even tougher if you are stupid--John Wayne)
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To: jbp1

You wrote:

“Denominations such as Episcopalians are Catholic Christians, just not Roman Catholic Christians.”

No. Only the Catholic Church is Catholic. The Episcopalians are Protestants as their old name in the USA, Protestants Episcopal Church, shows.

“But the professor seems to imply that the only Catholics are Roman Catholics,...”

Only Catholics are Catholics. Melkite Catholics are Catholics. Byzantine Catholics are Catholics. So-called Roman Catholics are Catholics. Protestants are NOT Catholic. No denomination can be Catholic. Only the Catholic Church is Catholic.

“...which goes along with the Roman Catholic tendency (as least in my experience) to pooh pooh ‘lesser denominations’. eh”

And why shouldn’t they be pooh-poohed? Hang out a shingle and you can claim to be a Christian denomination founded today. Christ was our founder, in AD 33. Not some guy in whatever city of the US in 2009. That matters. You can’t be Catholic if your church was founded by some John Doe sometime last week.


14 posted on 08/22/2009 2:46:40 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: T Minus Four

where’d they go?


15 posted on 08/22/2009 2:56:17 PM PDT by knarf
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To: Salvation
The Queen is the mother of The King. Even if she is never a ruler, herself, she gives birth to the Man who rules.

Catholics believe Mary should be honored, because she is the vessel who bore our Redeemer, and helped bring about our salvation. Jesus revered her, so we should do no less.

16 posted on 08/22/2009 3:09:06 PM PDT by SuziQ
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Because Jesus personally rejected the concept of a "special" relationship.

That is a very common misinterpretation of that verse.

17 posted on 08/22/2009 3:09:40 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: TFMcGuire
Mary had additional children and died and was buried on this earth.

I've never seen any evidence of that, have you?

18 posted on 08/22/2009 3:10:56 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: TFMcGuire
She is neither the “Queen of Heaven.” which was a false idol in the book of Jeremiah.

She certainly IS the Queen of Heaven, she's just not the false idol in the book of Jeremiah. That was a different personage, not the Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, the Blessed Virgin Mary.

19 posted on 08/22/2009 3:11:44 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: TFMcGuire
Mary had additional children...

Nope.

...and died and was buried on this earth.

Nope again.

Neither claim is even Scriptural.

20 posted on 08/22/2009 3:13:03 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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