Is Mary's Queenship Biblical? [Ecumenical]

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[Petronski]

See Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17; 44:18; 44:19; 44:25

These verses are not referring to Mary, Mother of God.

They refer to an ancient idol who was called (falsely) "queen of heaven."

[PugetSoundSoldier]

I see. So how should it be “interpreted”? It seems pretty straightforward!

[NYer]

But the professor seems to imply that the only Catholics are Roman Catholics, which goes along with the Roman Catholic tendency (as least in my experience) to pooh pooh ‘lesser denominations’. eh

Although it is not widely known in our Western world, the Catholic Church is actually a communion of Churches. According to the Constitution on the Church of the Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, the Catholic Church is understood to be "a corporate body of Churches," united with the Pope of Rome, who serves as the guardian of unity (LG, no. 23). At present there are 22 Churches that comprise the Catholic Church. The new Code of Canon Law, promulgated by Pope John Paul II, uses the phrase "autonomous ritual Churches" to describe these various Churches (canon 112). Each Church has its own hierarchy, spirituality, and theological perspective. Because of the particularities of history, there is only one Western Catholic Church, while there are 21 Eastern Catholic Churches. The Western Church, known officially as the Latin Church, is the largest of the Catholic Churches. It is immediately subject to the Roman Pontiff as Patriarch of the West. The Eastern Catholic Churches are each led by a Patriarch, Major Archbishop, or Metropolitan, who governs their Church together with a synod of bishops. Through the Congregation for Oriental Churches, the Roman Pontiff works to assure the health and well-being of the Eastern Catholic Churches.

While this diversity within the one Catholic Church can appear confusing at first, it in no way compromises the Church's unity. In a certain sense, it is a reflection of the mystery of the Trinity. Just as God is three Persons, yet one God, so the Church is 22 Churches, yet one Church.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes this nicely:

"From the beginning, this one Church has been marked by a great diversity which comes from both the variety of God's gifts and the diversity of those who receive them... Holding a rightful place in the communion of the Church there are also particular Churches that retain their own traditions. The great richness of such diversity is not opposed to the Church's unity" (CCC no. 814).

Although there are 22 Churches, there are only eight "Rites" that are used among them. A Rite is a "liturgical, theological, spiritual and disciplinary patrimony," (Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, canon 28). "Rite" best refers to the liturgical and disciplinary traditions used in celebrating the sacraments. Many Eastern Catholic Churches use the same Rite, although they are distinct autonomous Churches. For example, the Ukrainian Catholic Church and the Melkite Catholic Church are distinct Churches with their own hierarchies. Yet they both use the Byzantine Rite.

To learn more about the "two lungs" of the Catholic Church, visit this link:

CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES

The Vatican II Council declared that "all should realize it is of supreme importance to understand, venerate, preserve, and foster the exceedingly rich liturgical and spiritual heritage of the Eastern churches, in order faithfully to preserve the fullness of Christian tradition" (Unitatis Redintegrato, 15).

A Roman rite Catholic may attend any Eastern Catholic Liturgy and fulfill his or her obligations at any Eastern Catholic Parish. A Roman rite Catholic may join any Eastern Catholic Parish and receive any sacrament from an Eastern Catholic priest, since all belong to the Catholic Church as a whole. I am a Roman Catholic practicing my faith at a Maronite Catholic Church.  Like the Chaldeans, the Maronites retain Aramaic for the Consecration.  It is as close as one comes to being at the Last Supper.

[trisham]

Understanding Mary as queen mother sheds light on her important intercessory role in the Christian life. Just like the queen mother of the Davidic kingdom, Mary serves as advocate for the people in the Kingdom of God today. Thus, we should approach our queen mother with confidence, knowing that she carries our petitions to her royal son and that he responds to her as Solomon did to Bathsheba: "I will never refuse you."

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So beautiful it has brought tears to my eyes.

[raygunfan]

so you dont believe in the OT forshadowing the NT, as this article clearly shows?

why is that? can you direct your answers to the actual text involved and the biblical evidence presented?

[raygunfan]

this is yet another excellent article showing the fullness of the truth found only in the catholic church...just as other articles, i.e. the keys in the OT forshadowing the popes and their successors from Peter in the NT....all very true, very bibical, and very catholic.

[Notwithstanding]

Is Mary’s Queenship Biblical?

Well, the first Lutheran was adamant that Mary is the Queen of Heaven.

[lightman]

AYE!

One of the best ways to begin with understanding Luther’s view of Mary is Luther’s Marian hymn, completed A.D. 1545, one year before his death.

Luther scholars frequently—generally correctly—differentiate between “young, Catholic Luther” and “old, Protestant Luther”. Well, here is “old Protestant Luther, some 28 years after posting the 95 Theses sounding very Catholic indeed:

To me she’s dear, the worthy maid,
And I cannot forget her;
Praise, honor, virtue her are said,
Then all will love her better.
I seek her good,
And if I should
Right evil fare,
I do not care,
She’ll make up for it to me
With love and truth that will not tire,
Which she will ever show me,
And do all my desire.

She wears of purest gold a crown
Twelve stars their rays are twining,
Her rainment, glorious as the sun,
And bright from far is shining.
Her feet the moon
Are set upon
She is the bride
With the Lord to hide.
Sore travail is upon her;
She bringest forth a noble Son
Whom all the world must honor,
Their king, the only one.

That makes the dragon rage and roar,
He will the child upswallow;
His raging comes to nothing more;
No jot of gain will follow.
The infant high
Up to the sky
Away is heft
And he is left
On earth,all mad with murder.
The mother now alone is she,
But God will watchful guard her.
And the right Father he.

[Iscool]

Only Catholics are Catholics. Melkite Catholics are Catholics. Byzantine Catholics are Catholics. So-called Roman Catholics are Catholics. Protestants are NOT Catholic. No denomination can be Catholic. Only the Catholic Church is Catholic.

That's true...We are catholics...Your are Catholics...

[vladimir998]

You Wrote:

“We are catholics...Your are Catholics...”

You can’t be catholic without being Catholic. You’re Protestant only.

[Iscool]

That is a very common misinterpretation of that verse.

Only from a non Catholic perspective...Protestants understand that verse to say, 'yea, rather', because the verse says, 'Yea, rather'...Imagine that...

[Iscool]

Only from a non Catholic perspective

Was meant to be: only from a Catholic perspective...

[PugetSoundSoldier]

You can’t be catholic without being Catholic. You’re Protestant only.

Merriam Webster would say you are wrong.

[Colonel_Flagg]

The bride of the King of Kings is His church. Heaven therefore has no need for a queen.

Had Mary been sinless she would not have needed a savior - and there would have been no need for one to enter the world whose sacrifice was given “once for ALL” (Hebrews 10:10).

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“Merriam Webster would say you are wrong.”

Thankfully Catholic Christians look to Jesus Christ, His Church and His word for an understanding of Christianity and Christian principles - not Merriam Webster.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Thankfully Catholic Christians look to Jesus Christ, His Church and His word for an understanding of Christianity and Christian principles - not Merriam Webster.

And thankfully Catholic Christians understand that the word catholic can also mean the universal Christian church, not just those of the Pope or the Patriarchs...

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“And thankfully Catholic Christians understand that the word catholic can also mean the universal Christian church, not just those of the Pope or the Patriarchs...”

No, actually orthodox Catholics understand that the only catholic church is the Catholic Church.

4. The Church’s constant missionary proclamation is endangered today by relativistic theories which seek to justify religious pluralism, not only de facto but also de iure (or in principle). As a consequence, it is held that certain truths have been superseded; for example, the definitive and complete character of the revelation of Jesus Christ, the nature of Christian faith as compared with that of belief in other religions, the inspired nature of the books of Sacred Scripture, the personal unity between the Eternal Word and Jesus of Nazareth, the unity of the economy of the Incarnate Word and the Holy Spirit, the unicity and salvific universality of the mystery of Jesus Christ, the universal salvific mediation of the Church, the inseparability — while recognizing the distinction — of the kingdom of God, the kingdom of Christ, and the Church, and the subsistence of the one Church of Christ in the Catholic Church.

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Therefore, in connection with the unicity and universality of the salvific mediation of Jesus Christ, the unicity of the Church founded by him must be firmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith. Just as there is one Christ, so there exists a single body of Christ, a single Bride of Christ: “a single Catholic and apostolic Church”.51 Furthermore, the promises of the Lord that he would not abandon his Church (cf. Mt 16:18; 28:20) and that he would guide her by his Spirit (cf. Jn 16:13) mean, according to Catholic faith, that the unicity and the unity of the Church — like everything that belongs to the Church’s integrity — will never be lacking.52

The Catholic faithful are required to profess that there is an historical continuity — rooted in the apostolic succession53 — between the Church founded by Christ and the Catholic Church: “This is the single Church of Christ... which our Saviour, after his resurrection, entrusted to Peter’s pastoral care (cf. Jn 21:17), commissioning him and the other Apostles to extend and rule her (cf. Mt 28:18ff.), erected for all ages as ‘the pillar and mainstay of the truth’ (1 Tim 3:15). This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in [subsistit in] the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him”.54 With the expression subsistit in, the Second Vatican Council sought to harmonize two doctrinal statements: on the one hand, that the Church of Christ, despite the divisions which exist among Christians, continues to exist fully only in the Catholic Church, and on the other hand, that “outside of her structure, many elements can be found of sanctification and truth”,55 that is, in those Churches and ecclesial communities which are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church.56 But with respect to these, it needs to be stated that “they derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”.57

17. Therefore, there exists a single Church of Christ, which subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him.58 The Churches which, while not existing in perfect communion with the Catholic Church, remain united to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches.59 Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church, since they do not accept the Catholic doctrine of the Primacy, which, according to the will of God, the Bishop of Rome objectively has and exercises over the entire Church.60

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“The Christian faithful are therefore not permitted to imagine that the Church of Christ is nothing more than a collection — divided, yet in some way one — of Churches and ecclesial communities; nor are they free to hold that today the Church of Christ nowhere really exists, and must be considered only as a goal which all Churches and ecclesial communities must strive to reach”.64 In fact, “the elements of this already-given Church exist, joined together in their fullness in the Catholic Church and, without this fullness, in the other communities”.65 “Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”.66

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html

[T Minus Four]

where’d they go?

Was this for me?

[knarf]

"Jesus revered her, so we should do no less."

Jesus obeyed his parents (in the flesh) and honored them .. but he 'revered' no one except the father.

[Mr Rogers]

According to the Catholic Church, here is how it should be interpreted:

“27 8 While he was speaking, a woman from the crowd called out and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that carried you and the breasts at which you nursed.”
28 He replied, “Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”

Footnote 8 reads:

“8 [27-28] The beatitude in Luke 11:28 should not be interpreted as a rebuke of the mother of Jesus; see the note on Luke 8:21. Rather, it emphasizes (like Luke 2:35) that attentiveness to God’s word is more important than biological relationship to Jesus.”

Not much support for “Queen of Heaven”...