Posted on 05/17/2006 9:08:53 PM PDT by Full Court
font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="4" color="#990000">From Operation Rescue to Operation Convert
May 21-27, 2006 |
by TIM DRAKE |
Also in the Register: Randal Terry, CatholicRandall Terry has become Catholic. Tell me about your family. How did you come to know Christ? How did you first get started in pro-life work? What led to the founding of Operation Rescue? How many times were you arrested? When did you first take an interest in the Catholic Church? Which theological hurdles were the most difficult for you to jump? I understand that you are awaiting word on the annulment of your first marriage. Can you tell me why you chose to be received into the Church (without being able to receive the Eucharist), before the resolution of your annulment? Tell me how your reception into the Church came about. What was your greatest fear? How do you expect your evangelical colleagues will react to news of your conversion? Do you anticipate that your conversion could hurt you in your Senate race in a predominantly Protestant state?
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On the road again....
WORMS! LUTHER WAS HERE!
It's not Geneva, but I kinda like it here.
I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and I have heard it said in effect - that to go deep into the bible is to cease to be a RCC and become a Protestant.
I've heard it said also, but I haven't seen it work that way very often. There are some pretty solid Bible scholars who are Catholics. Some of them used to be Protestants, too.
I guess you travel in different circles then, but that doesn't surprise me. Most that I have seen who leave the RCC is because of reading the Word.
You wrote: "and I have heard it said in effect - that to go deep into the bible is to cease to be a RCC and become a Protestant."
But what you heard was nonsensical. The Bible relates historical events of Christ's life and the early Church. That's why so many Protestant ministers, who knew the Bible well as one would expect a minister to, became Catholics in recent years after studying the Bible more intensively: Scott Hahn, Gerry Matatics, Steve Wood, Robert Sungenis, Noah Lett, Jim Cope, and several hundred others.
Yes, God's word is flawless. That doesn't mean it includes all truth. The two concepts are not the same.
Also, the verse you cite from Revelation is about Revelation. It is not about Tradition. It is about not adding to the prophecies of the Book of Revelation.
There is no verse anywhere in the Bible that supports sola scriptura.
Accepting the validity of what God has said and promised in scripture is the primary definition.
Acceptance in the face of opposing evidence would be another.
Mental reification of promise prior to the actualization of the promose.
Anyway, the RCs got all upset over Calvin going to Rome. I'm glad to see our Lutheran friends have a sense of humor. That statue has a bunch of Luthers associates/friends circling him. Fredrick(sp?) Melanchon (again sp?) It is quite massive. I liked going through there yesterday.
Oh, you are just silly! :)
I find it amusing that people use reports of conversion (either way) to prove their side of an argument correct and to do that while ignoring or calling "nonsensical" conversions from their side to the other. But sadly, they actually believe it.
You wrote: "Oh, you are just silly! :)"
Mmmm...no, I don't think so.
"I find it amusing that people use reports of conversion (either way) to prove their side of an argument correct
and to do that while ignoring or calling "nonsensical" conversions from their side to the other. But sadly, they actually believe it."
Maybe they have reason to believe it. I have met a number of Catholics who have left the Faith for whatever sect is out there and yet none of them has ever seemed to know the Catholic faith well. A few simple questions is all it usually took to figure that out. Clearly the Church has done a horrible job catechizing her members over the last few decades. It is the exact opposite, however, when you consider what's involved with Protestant ministers becoming Catholic. They knew their sects' beliefs. They were trained at a professional level. They made their living at teaching and preaching those beliefs. They had to walk away from their jobs, their sects, and often their family and friends when they choose to become Catholic -- and often without any noticeable reward in this life. And to top it off those same men and women often had to overcome their own deepseated anti-Catholic feelings and prejudices in the process.
Cool.
You seem to have a very narrow field for making your judgement call. To read what you say, all those to leave the RCC are ones that know nothing about the RCC. That is a pretty narror statement, and it is why I said you are just being silly because you should know that that just isn't true. It is also no true, although implied by you that the ones who leave protestant denominations are mainly ministers. There have been as many well versed and deep into the RCC that have left as those who don't know much. And there have been many who go into the RCC who are not ministers. It really IS silly to think otherwise - unless you really have some thick blinders on.
You wrote: "You seem to have a very narrow field for making your judgement call. To read what you say, all those to leave the RCC are ones that know nothing about the RCC."
Generally it is true that those who leave the Catholic faith today actually know little about it.
"That is a pretty narror statement, and it is why I said you are just being silly because you should know that that just isn't true."
Except for the fact that it is true. I have seen it myself again and again. It has also been the experience of literally dozens and dozens of Catholics I know. I once had a college roommate who said he left the Catholic faith because he didn't want to pray to the pope. I told him Catholics didn't pray to the pope. He insisted they did. Clearly he was grossly ignorant about the Catholic faith.
"It is also no true, although implied by you that the ones who leave protestant denominations are mainly ministers."
I never implied that. I simply pointed out what was true. I never once implied that ministers are the ones who mainly leave Protestant denominations.
"There have been as many well versed and deep into the RCC that have left as those who don't know much. And there have been many who go into the RCC who are not ministers. It really IS silly to think otherwise - unless you really have some thick blinders on."
And maybe you should actually read what I wrote and not imagine things. Although I am not perfect, I usually am very good at writing what I mean and I meaning what I write.
It is interesting to know that you are so happy thinking so well of yourself.
I guess that's the best you can do.
My problem exactly, otherwise I might convert.
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