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When Homosexuals Take Over A Church
UCM (?United Concerned/Confessing Methodists - page doesn't define acronym) News ^ | November 2003 | Bill Fishburne

Posted on 11/18/2003 10:42:29 AM PST by ahadams2

When Homosexuals Take Over A Church

by Bill Fishburne WTZY Radio co-host

Five years ago I took my family out of one local church and began a search for a new church home. The experience was difficult. This is the story of that time in my life. I want to tell you why we left, what we lost, and what we found.

First of all, I want you to know we were involved at this church, not just attendees. I had been on the Vestry and had been Junior Warden. I had been the church Treasurer, and at the time of our departure I was chairman of the finance committee. My wife had been a preschool and Sunday School teacher, and both of our children, ages seven and nine, were members of the children's choir.

My wife and I had been married in an Episcopal diocese in Chicago. The priest there taught us to be Episcopalians. We attended the enquirer's class. We learned the tradition and history of the church. It was there that we first learned of the Episcopal faith's three-legged stool of the Bible, Tradition and Reason. We read the Book of Common Prayer's marriage vows, and we shared the hope of children. We read The Nicene Creed, which stated exactly what our new denomination believed. We agreed with its fundamental belief that Jesus Christ was the only Son of God; and that he suffered and was crucified on the cross for our sins; and that he rose again on the third day. And that by believing in him we might have eternal life.

In short, our experience at the church of the Redeemer on Fullerton St. in Chicago was so good that we sought the same type of church in Asheville.

We joined an Episcopal church where the priest was proud of his reputation as an avant guard liberal priest. He had come to the church in 1957 and had assumed a ministry based on personal devotion to his members, and an overt social liberalism that eschewed such common symbols as the American flag and N.C. State flags in the church

By the mid-eighties we were a family of four. The little church was our home and we were comfortable as the only living conservatives in a sea of liberals. And it was OK. We had our differences, but we worked together in God's sight to serve and glorify His name.

About that same time, one of the ladies of the church began a self- designated ministry to the prisoners in the Buncombe County Jail, and Craggy prison. She delivered personal care kits with toothpaste and soap, and, I suppose, counseled the prisoners.

Also in the mind-eighties, I was asked to run for the Vestry, and was elected to the post, just as she asked for the priest's permission to become a deacon. In the Episcopal church, this is one step below the priesthood. She could perform every priestly function except administering the sacraments of bread and wine. To gain this position her ministry had to be approved by the church vestry.

We gave the approval, provided she would agree to expand the ministry to the victims of crime, not just the perpetrators. A year later she came back to the vestry and the priest, asking that her ministry be changed and expanded again, this time to include the victims of HIV and AIDS infections. Again, we agreed.

What followed next was a series of half-inch steps until the church was thoroughly dominated and intimidated by the homosexual community. A constant flight of traditional long-time members ensued. One never knew where they went, but they were some of Asheville's most prominent families. Some of the half-inch steps that drove them away included:

First, a support group for persons with HIV and AIDS was established. The group met in the church library, or one of the other meeting rooms. No problem. Alcoholics Anonymous and other groups already used church facilities for their meetings. One more group seemed to make little if any difference.

Second, special services were requested for the HIV/AIDS community. The vestry denied these services, in that there was no desire to establish a homosexual-oriented church within the church. Thus, we welcomed increasing numbers of homosexuals to regular church services. This transpired over a period of months and years, and many of the new people who joined the church were welcome. The were bright, they were polite and considerate of others, but, by and large, they kept to themselves, sat together and avoided Sunday School classes and such Bible study as the church had. Many, it should be noted, gravitated towards the church choir. By the end of 1990 the influx of these individuals had made an impact. Many of the straight men left the choir and a noticeable group of homosexuals attended services each Sunday morning.

The deacon's prison ministry had fallen by the wayside, and various homosexual groups met at the church several times each month. The deacon spent her full time working with these groups, and had little time or interest in working with others.

The mainstream congregation seemed unaware of the change. The growing numbers of smiling and polite young men without wives or girlfriends seemed not to be noticed. Yet a gradual change had taken over the church. Homilies, or sermons, delivered from the pulpit now dwelt exclusively with social issues. One layman took to the pulpit one Sunday morning to lecture on the benefits of Liberation Theology to the huddled masses of Latin America. I nearly gagged. I had spent two years in Central America in the U.S. Army's Special Forces, training indigenous personnel in village defenses, human rights and patrolling. We went with them on patrols to fight the communist insurgencies spawned by Satan's own liberation theology. Many good men, women and children died in that undeclared war and I suffer the mental and physical scars today. Fools can rant and rave all they wish from the sanctuary oft heir liberal pulpits, but when the night fell in Guatemala in the 1969, I was on the ground with a rifle and a poncho praying for dawn. So on that morning when the church rafters rang with that heresy, I felt sick. I wondered how long I would be able to stay.

By 1990 my term on the vestry had expired. The church was torn apart by the undercurrent of conflict between the straight congregation, the ones raising children and their grandparents, on the one side, and the extreme social liberals and homosexuals on the other. Many of the latter group had AIDS, and one of the fears was that it would be transmitted by the common Communion cup. This fear was addressed in two ways. First, a second, small in-tinction cup was provided for those who wished to dip their wafers rather than drink from the cup. Second, there was a lecture on how HIV and AIDS were transmitted, with assurance that the Communion cup was safe. The tone of the meeting was that everything was fine, there was no chance of any accidental contact spreading the HIV virus, and we were ignorant if we thought otherwise.

At the same time, two of the most liberal women in the church were dispatched to a conference on "Human Sexuality." This, as it turned out, was a code phrase for a seminar on the acceptance of homosexuality as just a normal part of human life. Live with it, in other words, it's normal and it isn't a sin. People are just born that way, and if you think otherwise you are just being "judgmental."

Within a few months, things went from resigned acceptance of a forced equality between homosexuals and heterosexuals, to an overt preference for the homosexual community Here is what happened.

The Southern Appalachian Lesbian and Gay Alliance, otherwise known as SALGA, wanted to put on a gay fashion show. This was a cross-dressing event. A drag queen show. The church deacon quietly made arrangements and it was held in the church parish hall. That was the first time in nearly 100 years that the church had been used for a fashion show of any type. That it was a homosexual cross-dressed fashion show made it even more outrageous to the church's straight population. Worse yet, one of the church's youth groups (EYC) was on the premises at the time, attempting to use the kitchen facilities, which were also in use by the cross-dressed homosexuals. These young people were thus exposed to one of the more outrageous examples of homosexual behavior, without guidance or preparation for what they saw.

The priest received a barrage of objections from the straight membership. People continued to leave. This church experience was not what they expected, and this church's family was like no family they had ever encountered. It seemed clear that the liberal priest and the ultra-liberal deacon had gone too far. But nothing was done. The private conversations between concerned straights vanished whenever the priest or deacon came by. The Human Sexuality committee, otherwise known as the get-along, go-along gang, was everywhere. On the Outreach committee. Teaching Sunday School. In the Altar Guild, and certainly in the choir. These people, acting either on their own or as duplicitous tools of the priest, stifled protests of the homosexual influx with lectures on the need to show loving and tender acceptance of "alternative lifestyles."

A few months later, they went ever further. In February, SALGA and the deacon conspired to put on a homosexual St. Valentine's Day dance. Again, the 100-year old Parish Hall was the site of the event.

The entire affair was done in secret. The fact that the parish hall was reserved for a SALGA St. Valentine's Day Dance never appeared on the church calendar, and was never announced during the scheduled announcement time on Sunday morning. It was a closed event. The planning, however, was intensive. In January, the deacon presented the office manager with a beer and wine sales permit application. "Sign it," she said, "so we can sell beer and wine at the dance."

The office manager, a Baptist, refused. The priest, for a change, supported the no alcoholic beverage sale position. After all, it would be the first time the church had obtained a permit to sell alcoholic beverages during a church event. To an Episcopalian, a little wine and cheese at a reception was one thing. Selling the stuff was entirely something else.

Undeterred, the deacon and her friends from SALGA determined they would have beer and wine at their dance anyway. Rather than sell it directly, they prepared signs that advertised the beer and wind would be available in exchange for "love" offerings equal to the predetermined sale price.

And thus it was that, without the congregation's knowledge or approval, SALGA held a dance to celebrate St. Valentine's Day in the Parish Hall of an Episcopal church. Beer and wine were readily available if you made a "love" offering. From all reports and signs, the event was a huge success. A gay old time, as they say, was had by one and all.

The next morning, Sunday, I arrived early to find the church sexton and Junior Warden hard at work cleaning up. I helped them finish the job - of removing beer cans and other evidence of the previous night's homosexual extravaganza from the premises. It was clear to me that the celebrants had not been celibate throughout the evening. The place was a mess.

That nearly was the last straw, for me. The Parish Hall was not used for dances for our teenagers or our adults, because the priest had said he was afraid of "damage to the floor" in the historic building. As far as anyone can remember, that had been a hard and fast rule during his 30-year tenure. No dances in the Parish Hall. Not even a mixer for our kids.

But the rule was broken in favor of the homosexuals. And a fashion show was held for the homosexuals. And beer and wine were, in effect, sold for the homosexuals. Everything clearly indicated that this church now preferred homosexual members to straights. The evidence was in the actions the church took. The general membership was kept in the dark, and the church bulletin - or newsletter - often seemed to mention the good things being done by the deacon and her gay friends.

A few months later, with the problems just below the boiling point, the priest and the get-along, go-along committee announced there would be a Wednesday night meeting to discuss the problem. I now refer to it as the "Wednesday Night Massacre."

When I walked into the Parish Hall that evening, I found out just how far the priest and deacon were willing to go to push their agenda. First, there were more homosexuals present than straights. And most of the homosexuals in attendance were neither members nor regular attendees at our church. Second, to speak at the event you had to have signed up in advance. Only one straight was on the program, with a total of about seven folks speaking for the homosexual community.

The program started with a young lady from SALGA stating the she had personally cleaned up all the mess after the dance. I said she had not, that there was a great deal of litter on the grounds. She told me that was a lie, that everything had been cleaned up. I look at the Junior Warden, who had called me to help clean up on that Sunday morning. He grimly lowered and shook his head. He and the priest had been very close for years. In times of birth, marriage, and death. Thirty years in one church, together. The Junior Warden would not press the issue.

After opening remarks from the head of the get-along committee, we split into small groups. Each group had at least one homosexual in the room to guide and lead the discussion. In my group we were hosted by a defrocked Catholic priest, who had declared himself a practicing homosexual some years earlier. His seminary training and familiarity with all Biblical references to homosexuality totally dominated and intimidated our discussion. After 40 minutes of this oppressive environment, in which little constructive was accomplished other than the attempt to brainwash the straights, we returned too the Parish Hall. It had been much the same in the other breakout groups. The deck was stacked and no one had been dealt a straight hand.

One person, a member of the church who also was an ordained Presbyterian minister and psychologist with an active family counseling ministry, was on the schedule to speak for the straight community. His remarks were on one sheet of paper, and would take about four minutes to read. After 30 seconds, the priest cut him off.

"David, that's enough of that," he said. "We've heard all we need to hear. Sit down."

And thus ended the great debate. Free speech had been stifled. The forces of darkness had taken control of the church. Half an inch at a time.

I stayed a few weeks longer, writing a lengthy and impassioned letter to the Bishop and calling each member of the vestry to see what could be done. The answer was nothing. The bishop wrote me a very nice letter that said, "Even if I was of a mind to remove the priest, which I'm not, I couldn't. Only the church vestry can remove an Episcopal priest."

The vestry was dominated by the priest's faithful servants. The head of the get-along, go-along committee was on the vestry. The faithful Junior Warden, of course, as well as the Senior Warden. Twelve people, at least eight of whom were the priest's dedicated servants.

We lost. And we left. We moved to a more rural parish where we felt we could believe in the Bible without fear of criticism from our ministers. The liberal wing of the Episcopal Church, and the church we left in particular, is too liberal for us. I was very concerned that the sight of men holding hands in church, and sitting throughout Sunday morning services with their arms around one another, was a bad example. I was afraid that my young and impressionable children were witness to events that would destroy the very values and morality Christianity attempted to teach. The year after our departure the deacon proposed the church open a gay and lesbian support group for middle school children. Notice of this plan was printed in the church's annual report.

The time period I have described covers about six years. Six years in the life of a church, and many tragedies in the lives of young homosexual men who died of AIDS, when they came the church in search of God and, found, instead, encouragement for the lifestyle that would lead to their death. (Italicized section added 6/2000). Later, in 1995, at the Diocesan Convention at Camp Kanuga, the deacon defied instruction from the bishop and the priest, and declared on the floor of the assembly that she was a lesbian.

Why did the Bishop and the parish priest instruct the Deacon not to publicly reveal her homosexuality? Because she would then have to be suspended. The Bishop followed through with a six week suspension. She then resumed her position and continues to lead and preach the gospel of homosexuality in the church today.

In other words, the Bishop objected to her coming out of the closet. I believe he knew that she would be more effective if she remained cloaked. But he restored her to her office just as soon as the public furor died down.

About six months later, the Deacon's husband, head of Christian Education at this church, announced that he, too was homosexual. As was their adopted son. I guess that disproves heredity as a cause.

And more recently the new priest, Todd Donatelli, another avant guard liberal, announced the church, now the Cathedral of All Souls, would offer the Church's blessing and an appropriate ceremony for homosexual unions.

Postscript:

The new All Souls rector, Todd Donatelli, last year issued the first Excommunication in the history of the Episcopal Church in the United States. This "honor" was afforded to one Lewis W. Green for the offense of disagreeing with the church's homosexual agenda. Mr. Green, to his eternal credit, absolutely refused to get along and go along with the acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle as equal to heterosexuality, and actually preferable in some cases. An appeal to our Bishop, Robert Johnson of the Diocese of Western North Carolina, fell upon deaf ears. The Bishop also supports Donatelli in his decision to bless homosexual unions.

Speaking of children, at Calvary our adults have a Sunday School class led by a wonderful retired priest. His table is overflowing with good things to share with us, teaching us ever more about our Savior, and God's plan for the world. And we have another retired old-school priest who sings in the choir and is a font of good and humorous knowledge about all things spiritual.

I am on the vestry and my wife taught Sunday School until this year when she decided the task required someone younger. The only mistake we see there thus far at Calvary is that they have allowed me to join the choir. Maybe the angels will sneak in and give me the ability to carry a tune. That certainly wasn't in God's plan, but until the Angels intercede I shall persevere in making my Joyful Noise.

By the Grace of God, the odyssey on which I took my family in 1991 ended at Calvary Episcopal Church in Fletcher. It was a very long and difficult journey, but I would do it again. And if Satan ever takes over the pulpit at Calvary, as he did at All Souls, we'll be on our way out the door.

And even though, at this time, we are not ready to lead our parish to the AmiA, it is a blessing that we now have an alternative.


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To: xzins
"I helped them finish the job - of removing beer cans and other evidence of the previous night's homosexual extravaganza from the premises. It was clear to me that the celebrants had not been celibate throughout the evening. The place was a mess.

That nearly was the last straw, for me"


THIS WAS NEARLY THE LAST STRAW. This guy is very patient.

This is an unbelievable occurence. Very sad.
41 posted on 11/19/2003 11:07:47 AM PST by bonny011765
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The Delphi Technique.
What Is It?

With thanks to Sandy Vanderberg, Peg Luksik and others.

©March 1996; Lynn M Stuter

42 posted on 11/19/2003 11:27:39 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: P-Marlowe; AnAmericanMother; ahadams2
Thanks, Marlowe, for a great post on one of the most important topics I've read on Free Republic.

BUMP for every Conservative's arsenal.

43 posted on 11/19/2003 3:20:50 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thanks, Marlowe

Thank You. I had never heard of the Delphi Technique before your post. I decided to educate myself and a google search turned up that article.

I have been in a number of "diversity in the workplace" seminars because they are required every 3 years to keep my law license. Although the seminars only last about an hour or two at the most and we only need an hour or two of this cr@p every three years, it seems that the teachers attempt to utilize these techniques on the attendees. I suppose they wish they could keep us captive for a week or two.

I don't think this technique works on me, because I really get belligerent and start pushing the envelope and seeing if I can irritate the teacher. They don't like to be challenged and their method is not sucessful unless most, if not all, of the participants are willing to accept the premises that the teachers start with, like "we ought to treat "all" people with respect." I always insist that respect is something that you EARN and that NOBODY is entitled to ANY respect unless they EARN IT! That usually gets them going. :-)

Thanks for letting me know that there is a name for their techniques. Now that I can study their techniques, the next seminar should be even more interesting.

44 posted on 11/19/2003 4:05:51 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: P-Marlowe
***I don't think this technique works on me, because I really get belligerent and start pushing the envelope and seeing if I can irritate the teacher***

So that explains the Servetus harangues.

... just kidding.
45 posted on 11/19/2003 4:26:27 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
So that explains the Servetus harangues.

Its just my nature. :-)

46 posted on 11/19/2003 4:28:02 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Wow, that's great!

I like the advice - I'm persistent, but I have a tendency to NOT be charming, although I don't usually lose my temper I can get pretty loud ;-)

With these guidelines in mind, I can use my "sweet Southern belle" persona - THAT oughta work, and if the "facilitator" tries to pick on me, it's easy to segue into the "poor pitiful Pearl" (Melanie Wilkes) routine.

This oughta be fun . . . .

47 posted on 11/19/2003 6:30:26 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: xzins
Well said. I cannot understand staying despite the increasing immorality. I would have to take myself and my tithing elsewhere fast. And make sure it was clear why I left.
48 posted on 11/19/2003 8:03:56 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: ahadams2
Simply appalling and tragic. Fair warning to all of us who would allow the homo camel to get his nose under the tent under the guise of "tolerance." Sin is intolerable.

I'd be willing to bet, however, that the priest is also a homosexual. If not, he's a total weakling. All it takes to defeat this scourge are solid priests and bishops who will not compromise with evil.
49 posted on 11/19/2003 8:10:31 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Antoninus
You wrote "I'd be willing to bet, however, that the priest is also a homosexual. If not, he's a total weakling."

Certainly either is possible but you've forgotten the third category which also exists - the 'liberation theology' true believer. By this I mean those who see the Church as merely a tool to force cultural change to occur by appealing to emotions and pretending to speak for God. There are a number of those in ecusa and this priest could easily be one of them, judging by the actions described in the article.

just my 2 cents on that one,
50 posted on 11/19/2003 8:33:21 PM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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To: P-Marlowe; drstevej
Its just my nature

"Nature, Mr. Allnut, is what we are put in this world to rise above." -- African Queen

51 posted on 11/19/2003 11:01:22 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
The secret is to be calm, confident, pleasant, informed, determined and RESOLUTE.

Enjoy it.

52 posted on 11/19/2003 11:04:27 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: ahadams2
When the so-called "leadership" of the Episcopal denomination overwhelmingly approves of and elevates a practicing homosexual whom whey know is openly living in sexual immorality, the handwriting is on the wall, it's over, period. The denomination has gone beyond the point of no return.

These evil men in leadership, by the very nature of their denomination and position (i.e. they have the ultimate say and the ultimate control. Because of the authority and power of their position, these ungodly "spiritual" leaders determine who becomes the pastor of the congregations and they determine who gets elevated to the position of bishop. Only those higher than themselves can overrule their ungodly decisions. However, these ungodly overseers are also in agreement with them, therefore nothing can or will change.) will now consolidate their gains, squelch the godly opposition (the righteous remnant that remains faithful to Christ and to the Holy Word of God) by elevating more ungodly "ministers" who support and promote this immorality to positions of authority and leadership within the "denomination".

I will not honor them by calling it a "church", the Episcopal denomination in America, with it's recent decision had become nothing more than an organizational tool of Satan, promoting itself in order to do his bidding.

Because of this wickedness, those who genuinely know Christ within the denomination, whether they are spiritual leaders, or lay people, have only one scriptural avenue open to them they must flee/remove themselves from the denomination as soon as possible.

In these dark days the church is to be “salt and light in the world”. Now more than ever before born-again Christians have a responsibility to “NOT be conformed to this world” but to be “transformed by the renewing of our minds” (Romans 12:1 - 2). This transformation comes about as we saturate our minds and hearts with the Word of God and let it [Comment: rather than the changing social customs of our times] be the determining factor in what we believe and how we live our lives.

Some say that the decision to vote to have Mr. Robinson become the first openly practicing homosexual bishop within the Episcopal (or any Christian) Church “may test the limits” of the denomination. “may test the limits”? The fact of the matter is, this vote to approve him to the position of bishop proves there are NO limits as far as the so-called “leadership” of the Episcopal Church is concerned. With this decision, the apostate church has revealed itself for what it is.

The majority of “spiritual” leaders in the denomination have just chosen to throw the Word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ out the window, embrace perversion at the highest level and some are concerned this decision “may test the limits”.

God’s Word regarding the course of action and decision these so-called “spiritual leaders” should have made is clear:

“9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.” (1 Corinthians 5:9-13)

Since the majority of those calling the shots within the denomination have chosen not to “Expel the wicked man” from among them, they have rejected God and His Holy Word and instead have whole-heartedly supported and embraced perversion and wickedness at the highest level within the denomination.

With this decision these leaders have left those who truly know Christ with only ONE option from a Biblical perspective: There is only one course of action available and the counsel of God’s Word is obvious for all born-again believers, ministers and leaders within the Episcopal Church:

“ ‘Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE,’ says the Lord. ‘AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you. And I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me,’ Says the Lord Almighty.” (2Corinthians 6:17 - 18)

This advice may not be popular or politically correct, but it is God’s unfailing counsel regarding the situation. Even if this stand for the truth results in the loss of buildings, property, possessions, positions, power, friendships and anything else that Satan might use to persuade these believers to COMPROMISE their walk with Christ and support for the Word of God. It will be telling in the days and weeks ahead to see if those who actually know Christ within the denomination, be they lay people or leaders, are willing to “count the cost”, and conclude with the apostle Paul:

“7But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.” (Philippians 3:7 – 11)

Sincerely in Christ,

Dr. S

Acts. 24:20

53 posted on 11/20/2003 6:08:19 AM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: Mont-3-7-77
ping
54 posted on 11/22/2003 10:24:54 AM PST by Eala (FR Traditional Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Grampa Dave
I will be saving this article to give to chosen people.

A good idea!

55 posted on 11/22/2003 10:26:06 AM PST by Eala (FR Traditional Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Eala
I'm sure that in even conservative church's, we have seen some of this master plan of taking over by the gay agenda pushers.

There are a few other conservatives, that I'm going give copies of this to. We need to be vigilant re what has happened and is happening.

This article gives us the battle plan of the homosexual agenda pushers for every church they plan to take over.
56 posted on 11/22/2003 11:43:14 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy Warbucks, has owned the DemonicRats for decades!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Adding this to the Traditional Anglican Directory page in a few minutes...
57 posted on 11/22/2003 1:11:57 PM PST by Eala (FR Traditional Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Grampa Dave
Adding this to the Traditional Anglican Directory page in a few minutes...
58 posted on 11/22/2003 1:15:04 PM PST by Eala (Traditional Anglican resources: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Wrigley
Part of the gay strategy is finding a comfortable congregation.

I believe this is true. My lesbian SIL wont' come to our Calvary Chapel church because she said it made her "feel uncomfortable." She prefers a Disciples of Christ church. Does anyone have any info on this group?
59 posted on 11/26/2003 1:49:56 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (Beware: the Chip is pissed.)
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To: ahadams2
In case you were not aware, I found this thread on the home page of Good News Magazine.

I may have to subscribe to them after all...

http://www.goodnewsmag.org
60 posted on 05/11/2004 8:39:48 AM PDT by thackney (Life is Fragile, Handle with Prayer)
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