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When Homosexuals Take Over A Church
UCM (?United Concerned/Confessing Methodists - page doesn't define acronym) News ^ | November 2003 | Bill Fishburne

Posted on 11/18/2003 10:42:29 AM PST by ahadams2

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To: xzins
"I helped them finish the job - of removing beer cans and other evidence of the previous night's homosexual extravaganza from the premises. It was clear to me that the celebrants had not been celibate throughout the evening. The place was a mess.

That nearly was the last straw, for me"


THIS WAS NEARLY THE LAST STRAW. This guy is very patient.

This is an unbelievable occurence. Very sad.
41 posted on 11/19/2003 11:07:47 AM PST by bonny011765
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The Delphi Technique.
What Is It?

With thanks to Sandy Vanderberg, Peg Luksik and others.

©March 1996; Lynn M Stuter

42 posted on 11/19/2003 11:27:39 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: P-Marlowe; AnAmericanMother; ahadams2
Thanks, Marlowe, for a great post on one of the most important topics I've read on Free Republic.

BUMP for every Conservative's arsenal.

43 posted on 11/19/2003 3:20:50 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thanks, Marlowe

Thank You. I had never heard of the Delphi Technique before your post. I decided to educate myself and a google search turned up that article.

I have been in a number of "diversity in the workplace" seminars because they are required every 3 years to keep my law license. Although the seminars only last about an hour or two at the most and we only need an hour or two of this cr@p every three years, it seems that the teachers attempt to utilize these techniques on the attendees. I suppose they wish they could keep us captive for a week or two.

I don't think this technique works on me, because I really get belligerent and start pushing the envelope and seeing if I can irritate the teacher. They don't like to be challenged and their method is not sucessful unless most, if not all, of the participants are willing to accept the premises that the teachers start with, like "we ought to treat "all" people with respect." I always insist that respect is something that you EARN and that NOBODY is entitled to ANY respect unless they EARN IT! That usually gets them going. :-)

Thanks for letting me know that there is a name for their techniques. Now that I can study their techniques, the next seminar should be even more interesting.

44 posted on 11/19/2003 4:05:51 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: P-Marlowe
***I don't think this technique works on me, because I really get belligerent and start pushing the envelope and seeing if I can irritate the teacher***

So that explains the Servetus harangues.

... just kidding.
45 posted on 11/19/2003 4:26:27 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
So that explains the Servetus harangues.

Its just my nature. :-)

46 posted on 11/19/2003 4:28:02 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Wow, that's great!

I like the advice - I'm persistent, but I have a tendency to NOT be charming, although I don't usually lose my temper I can get pretty loud ;-)

With these guidelines in mind, I can use my "sweet Southern belle" persona - THAT oughta work, and if the "facilitator" tries to pick on me, it's easy to segue into the "poor pitiful Pearl" (Melanie Wilkes) routine.

This oughta be fun . . . .

47 posted on 11/19/2003 6:30:26 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: xzins
Well said. I cannot understand staying despite the increasing immorality. I would have to take myself and my tithing elsewhere fast. And make sure it was clear why I left.
48 posted on 11/19/2003 8:03:56 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: ahadams2
Simply appalling and tragic. Fair warning to all of us who would allow the homo camel to get his nose under the tent under the guise of "tolerance." Sin is intolerable.

I'd be willing to bet, however, that the priest is also a homosexual. If not, he's a total weakling. All it takes to defeat this scourge are solid priests and bishops who will not compromise with evil.
49 posted on 11/19/2003 8:10:31 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Antoninus
You wrote "I'd be willing to bet, however, that the priest is also a homosexual. If not, he's a total weakling."

Certainly either is possible but you've forgotten the third category which also exists - the 'liberation theology' true believer. By this I mean those who see the Church as merely a tool to force cultural change to occur by appealing to emotions and pretending to speak for God. There are a number of those in ecusa and this priest could easily be one of them, judging by the actions described in the article.

just my 2 cents on that one,
50 posted on 11/19/2003 8:33:21 PM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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To: P-Marlowe; drstevej
Its just my nature

"Nature, Mr. Allnut, is what we are put in this world to rise above." -- African Queen

51 posted on 11/19/2003 11:01:22 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
The secret is to be calm, confident, pleasant, informed, determined and RESOLUTE.

Enjoy it.

52 posted on 11/19/2003 11:04:27 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: ahadams2
When the so-called "leadership" of the Episcopal denomination overwhelmingly approves of and elevates a practicing homosexual whom whey know is openly living in sexual immorality, the handwriting is on the wall, it's over, period. The denomination has gone beyond the point of no return.

These evil men in leadership, by the very nature of their denomination and position (i.e. they have the ultimate say and the ultimate control. Because of the authority and power of their position, these ungodly "spiritual" leaders determine who becomes the pastor of the congregations and they determine who gets elevated to the position of bishop. Only those higher than themselves can overrule their ungodly decisions. However, these ungodly overseers are also in agreement with them, therefore nothing can or will change.) will now consolidate their gains, squelch the godly opposition (the righteous remnant that remains faithful to Christ and to the Holy Word of God) by elevating more ungodly "ministers" who support and promote this immorality to positions of authority and leadership within the "denomination".

I will not honor them by calling it a "church", the Episcopal denomination in America, with it's recent decision had become nothing more than an organizational tool of Satan, promoting itself in order to do his bidding.

Because of this wickedness, those who genuinely know Christ within the denomination, whether they are spiritual leaders, or lay people, have only one scriptural avenue open to them they must flee/remove themselves from the denomination as soon as possible.

In these dark days the church is to be “salt and light in the world”. Now more than ever before born-again Christians have a responsibility to “NOT be conformed to this world” but to be “transformed by the renewing of our minds” (Romans 12:1 - 2). This transformation comes about as we saturate our minds and hearts with the Word of God and let it [Comment: rather than the changing social customs of our times] be the determining factor in what we believe and how we live our lives.

Some say that the decision to vote to have Mr. Robinson become the first openly practicing homosexual bishop within the Episcopal (or any Christian) Church “may test the limits” of the denomination. “may test the limits”? The fact of the matter is, this vote to approve him to the position of bishop proves there are NO limits as far as the so-called “leadership” of the Episcopal Church is concerned. With this decision, the apostate church has revealed itself for what it is.

The majority of “spiritual” leaders in the denomination have just chosen to throw the Word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ out the window, embrace perversion at the highest level and some are concerned this decision “may test the limits”.

God’s Word regarding the course of action and decision these so-called “spiritual leaders” should have made is clear:

“9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.” (1 Corinthians 5:9-13)

Since the majority of those calling the shots within the denomination have chosen not to “Expel the wicked man” from among them, they have rejected God and His Holy Word and instead have whole-heartedly supported and embraced perversion and wickedness at the highest level within the denomination.

With this decision these leaders have left those who truly know Christ with only ONE option from a Biblical perspective: There is only one course of action available and the counsel of God’s Word is obvious for all born-again believers, ministers and leaders within the Episcopal Church:

“ ‘Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE,’ says the Lord. ‘AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you. And I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me,’ Says the Lord Almighty.” (2Corinthians 6:17 - 18)

This advice may not be popular or politically correct, but it is God’s unfailing counsel regarding the situation. Even if this stand for the truth results in the loss of buildings, property, possessions, positions, power, friendships and anything else that Satan might use to persuade these believers to COMPROMISE their walk with Christ and support for the Word of God. It will be telling in the days and weeks ahead to see if those who actually know Christ within the denomination, be they lay people or leaders, are willing to “count the cost”, and conclude with the apostle Paul:

“7But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.” (Philippians 3:7 – 11)

Sincerely in Christ,

Dr. S

Acts. 24:20

53 posted on 11/20/2003 6:08:19 AM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: Mont-3-7-77
ping
54 posted on 11/22/2003 10:24:54 AM PST by Eala (FR Traditional Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Grampa Dave
I will be saving this article to give to chosen people.

A good idea!

55 posted on 11/22/2003 10:26:06 AM PST by Eala (FR Traditional Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Eala
I'm sure that in even conservative church's, we have seen some of this master plan of taking over by the gay agenda pushers.

There are a few other conservatives, that I'm going give copies of this to. We need to be vigilant re what has happened and is happening.

This article gives us the battle plan of the homosexual agenda pushers for every church they plan to take over.
56 posted on 11/22/2003 11:43:14 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy Warbucks, has owned the DemonicRats for decades!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Adding this to the Traditional Anglican Directory page in a few minutes...
57 posted on 11/22/2003 1:11:57 PM PST by Eala (FR Traditional Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Grampa Dave
Adding this to the Traditional Anglican Directory page in a few minutes...
58 posted on 11/22/2003 1:15:04 PM PST by Eala (Traditional Anglican resources: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: Wrigley
Part of the gay strategy is finding a comfortable congregation.

I believe this is true. My lesbian SIL wont' come to our Calvary Chapel church because she said it made her "feel uncomfortable." She prefers a Disciples of Christ church. Does anyone have any info on this group?
59 posted on 11/26/2003 1:49:56 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (Beware: the Chip is pissed.)
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To: ahadams2
In case you were not aware, I found this thread on the home page of Good News Magazine.

I may have to subscribe to them after all...

http://www.goodnewsmag.org
60 posted on 05/11/2004 8:39:48 AM PDT by thackney (Life is Fragile, Handle with Prayer)
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