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Justice Breyer: U. S. Constitution should be subordinated to international will
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 7, 2003

Posted on 07/07/2003 7:00:07 AM PDT by mrobison

LAW OF THE LAND

Justice: Can Constitution make it in global age?

On TV, Breyer wonders whether it will 'fit into governing documents of other nations'

Posted: July 7, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

In a rare appearance on a television news show, Supreme Court Justice Stephen G. Breyer questioned whether the U.S. Constitution, the oldest governing document in use in the world today, will continue to be relevant in an age of globalism.

Speaking with ABC News' "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos and his colleague Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, Breyer took issue with Justice Antonin Scalia, who, in a dissent in last month's Texas sodomy ruling, contended the views of foreign jurists are irrelevant under the U.S. Constitution.

Breyer had held that a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights that homosexuals had a fundamental right to privacy in their sexual behavior showed that the Supreme Court's earlier decision to the contrary was unfounded in the Western tradition.

"We see all the time, Justice O'Connor and I, and the others, how the world really – it's trite but it's true – is growing together," Breyer said. "Through commerce, through globalization, through the spread of democratic institutions, through immigration to America, it's becoming more and more one world of many different kinds of people. And how they're going to live together across the world will be the challenge, and whether our Constitution and how it fits into the governing documents of other nations, I think will be a challenge for the next generations."

In the Lawrence v Texas case decided June 26, Justice Anthony Kennedy gave as a reason for overturning a Supreme Court ruling of 17 years earlier upholding sodomy laws that it was devoid of any reliance on the views of a "wider civilization."

Scalia answered in his dissent: "The court's discussion of these foreign views (ignoring, of course, the many countries that have retained criminal prohibitions on sodomy) is ... meaningless dicta. Dangerous dicta, however, since this court ... should not impose foreign moods, fads, or fashions on Americans," he said quoting the 2002 Foster v. Florida case.

Scalia's scathing critique of the 6-3 sodomy ruling was unusual in its bluntness.

"Today's opinion is the product of a court, which is the product of a law-profession culture, that has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda, by which I mean the agenda promoted by some homosexual activists directed at eliminating the moral opprobrium that has traditionally attached to homosexual conduct," he wrote. Later he concluded: "This court has taken sides in the culture war."

Both O'Connor and Breyer sought to downplay antipathy between the justices – no matter how contentious matters before the court become. O'Connor said justices don't take harsh criticisms personally.

"When you work in a small group of that size, you have to get along, and so you're not going to let some harsh language, some dissenting opinion, affect a personal relationship," she said. "You can't do that."

Breyer agreed.

"So if I'm really put out by something, I can go to the person who wrote it and say, 'Look, I think you've gone too far here.'"

O'Connor, too, seemed to suggest in the ABC interview that the Constitution was far from the final word in governing America. Asked if there might come a day when it would no longer be the last word on the law, she said: "Well, you always have the power of entering into treaties with other nations which also become part of the law of the land, but I can't see the day when we won't have a constitution in our nation."

Asked to explain what he meant when he said judges who favor a very strict literal interpretation of the Constitution can't justify their practices by claiming that's what the framers wanted, Breyer responded: "I meant that the extent to which the Constitution is flexible is a function of what provisions you're talking about. When you look at the word 'two' for two representatives from every state in the United States Senate, two means two. But when you look like a word – look at a word like 'interstate commerce,' which they didn't have automobiles in mind, or they didn't have airplanes in mind, or telephones, or the Internet, or you look at a word like 'liberty,' and they didn't have in mind at that time the problems of privacy brought about, for example, by the Internet and computers. You realize that the framers intended those words to maintain constant values, but values that would change in their application as society changed."

In an unrelated matter, O'Connor indicated on "This Week" that she would likely serve out the next term on the court, dismssing speculation that she was about to retire.

The current court is split between Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Clarence Thomas and Scalia, who tend to hold the traditional constitutionalist approach to rulings, and the majority of O'Connor, Breyer, Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginzburg, David H. Souter and John Paul Stevens, who tend to believe in the concept of a "living Constitution" subject to changes in public opinion and interpretation.


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To: N3WBI3
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81 posted on 07/07/2003 7:46:03 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: mrobison
U.S. Constitution, the oldest governing document in use in the world today


The constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is the oldest governing document on earth.

82 posted on 07/07/2003 7:46:57 AM PDT by society-by-contract
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To: jwalsh07
What's your vote, impeachment or tar and feathers?

Impeachment first, conviction on impeachment charges second, tar and feathers third, followed by the rail out of town.

83 posted on 07/07/2003 7:47:44 AM PDT by steveegg (Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, air-burst artillery and thermonuclear weapons)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Unfortunately, in the real world, "good behavior" is politically defined, not constitutionally defined. Breyer will never suffer consequences for his views unless We The People made it politically dangerous for Congress to ignore him. Not gonna happen, not in our lifetimes, I'm afraid.

Whiletrue, it doesn't negate the possiblity political advantage to be gleaned from remarks such as these. It won't play well at all in Senate races south of the Mason Dixon line and should be a club wielded heavily.

84 posted on 07/07/2003 7:48:04 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Lee'sGhost
Breyer was really sucking up to O'Connor. She seemed to dissing him all the while. I think she's beginning to realize she's being had.

Breyer comes off as a pompous dangerous dreamer, writting his own constitution in every case. The 'secret service' should cuff him for such treasonous statements in public.

85 posted on 07/07/2003 7:48:46 AM PDT by duckln
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To: Dane
" And loud mouth malcontents who refuse to look at history, usually have the biggest ones."

How do non sequitors fit into your feeble you-get-what-you-deserve argument? Drink the Kool Aid, it will be alright.
86 posted on 07/07/2003 7:50:05 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: mrobison
Dear God. Where did I wake up this morning?

Bryer better rethink this, post haste. If the U.S. Constitution no longer binds us, who gets the pleasure of first crack at him?

87 posted on 07/07/2003 7:50:13 AM PDT by LTCJ
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To: dansangel
Thanks for the ping!
88 posted on 07/07/2003 7:50:22 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: mrobison
This is the "slippery slope" that everyone mentions. It seems like our constitution on a global basis going to be argued like "state's rights" here in the U.S.
89 posted on 07/07/2003 7:50:29 AM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obsfucation)
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To: mrsmith
Thats the Sean Sellers case if I remember correctly.

I sat the bench as a judicial type for several years. The liberal globalist types are at all levels of government, from simple city traffic courts to the US Supreme Court.It isnt a conspiracy, its a coordinated effort to attain power, and its a fact.

If we dont stand up and take care of these abuses of office and subordination of the Constitution as they occur, and remove these self serving elitist fools from the offices they hold at all levels, we deserve this. Its time to take a stand, ladies and gents.

If we desire safety and security over freedom, we will not have any of them.
90 posted on 07/07/2003 7:51:28 AM PDT by judicial meanz
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To: mhking
What's the process for removing a jurist from the bench?

Impeachment by a majority of the House, followed by a conviction by 2/3 of the Senate. I'm reasonably sure that Breyer's statements constitute treason.

91 posted on 07/07/2003 7:51:43 AM PDT by steveegg (Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, air-burst artillery and thermonuclear weapons)
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To: mrsmith
There IS something new here: Breyer is suggesting that the Constitution is obsolete.
92 posted on 07/07/2003 7:51:47 AM PDT by mrobison
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To: smith288
>>If Breyer really thinks it should succumb to international will, Breyer should be impeached post haste.

That was the first word that came to my mind.

93 posted on 07/07/2003 7:52:02 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: mrobison
Unfriggin-believable. Honestly. Shocking. Forget the 2nd Amendment. The entire Bill of Rights is off the table and out the window.
94 posted on 07/07/2003 7:52:23 AM PDT by sam_paine
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To: jwalsh07
This is down right scary. I'm glad he's expressing his anti constitutional views publicly, so maybe enough people will be alarmed to go out and vote in a more conservative congress in 2004 to help Bush turn the tide.
95 posted on 07/07/2003 7:52:39 AM PDT by TimPatriot
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To: mrobison
Retire hell, he should be impeached!
96 posted on 07/07/2003 7:53:30 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: mrobison
FALLING BEAM BARELY MISSES JUSTICE O'CONNOR AT NEW CONSTITUTION CENTER

How fitting. Too bad Breyer wasn't underneath.

97 posted on 07/07/2003 7:53:51 AM PDT by Stew Padasso (Smoke Banshees BHD - libertyteeth.com - Puff Puff Ping!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Do you know who makes the decision to appoint Chief Justice?

Is it Bush?
98 posted on 07/07/2003 7:54:13 AM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obsfucation)
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To: M. Peach
There are many great legal scholars here on FR and I'm not one of them, but I believe it is Bush's decision.
99 posted on 07/07/2003 7:55:24 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud, hatch out!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Well the looney left sees to believe it is possible.

http://www.petitiononline.com/impeach/petition.html

The man has said the document he was appointed to defend is outdated. Do we have a constitutional lawyer on the forum?



100 posted on 07/07/2003 7:55:33 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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