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Justice Breyer: U. S. Constitution should be subordinated to international will
WorldNetDaily ^ | July 7, 2003

Posted on 07/07/2003 7:00:07 AM PDT by mrobison

LAW OF THE LAND

Justice: Can Constitution make it in global age?

On TV, Breyer wonders whether it will 'fit into governing documents of other nations'

Posted: July 7, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

In a rare appearance on a television news show, Supreme Court Justice Stephen G. Breyer questioned whether the U.S. Constitution, the oldest governing document in use in the world today, will continue to be relevant in an age of globalism.

Speaking with ABC News' "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos and his colleague Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, Breyer took issue with Justice Antonin Scalia, who, in a dissent in last month's Texas sodomy ruling, contended the views of foreign jurists are irrelevant under the U.S. Constitution.

Breyer had held that a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights that homosexuals had a fundamental right to privacy in their sexual behavior showed that the Supreme Court's earlier decision to the contrary was unfounded in the Western tradition.

"We see all the time, Justice O'Connor and I, and the others, how the world really – it's trite but it's true – is growing together," Breyer said. "Through commerce, through globalization, through the spread of democratic institutions, through immigration to America, it's becoming more and more one world of many different kinds of people. And how they're going to live together across the world will be the challenge, and whether our Constitution and how it fits into the governing documents of other nations, I think will be a challenge for the next generations."

In the Lawrence v Texas case decided June 26, Justice Anthony Kennedy gave as a reason for overturning a Supreme Court ruling of 17 years earlier upholding sodomy laws that it was devoid of any reliance on the views of a "wider civilization."

Scalia answered in his dissent: "The court's discussion of these foreign views (ignoring, of course, the many countries that have retained criminal prohibitions on sodomy) is ... meaningless dicta. Dangerous dicta, however, since this court ... should not impose foreign moods, fads, or fashions on Americans," he said quoting the 2002 Foster v. Florida case.

Scalia's scathing critique of the 6-3 sodomy ruling was unusual in its bluntness.

"Today's opinion is the product of a court, which is the product of a law-profession culture, that has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda, by which I mean the agenda promoted by some homosexual activists directed at eliminating the moral opprobrium that has traditionally attached to homosexual conduct," he wrote. Later he concluded: "This court has taken sides in the culture war."

Both O'Connor and Breyer sought to downplay antipathy between the justices – no matter how contentious matters before the court become. O'Connor said justices don't take harsh criticisms personally.

"When you work in a small group of that size, you have to get along, and so you're not going to let some harsh language, some dissenting opinion, affect a personal relationship," she said. "You can't do that."

Breyer agreed.

"So if I'm really put out by something, I can go to the person who wrote it and say, 'Look, I think you've gone too far here.'"

O'Connor, too, seemed to suggest in the ABC interview that the Constitution was far from the final word in governing America. Asked if there might come a day when it would no longer be the last word on the law, she said: "Well, you always have the power of entering into treaties with other nations which also become part of the law of the land, but I can't see the day when we won't have a constitution in our nation."

Asked to explain what he meant when he said judges who favor a very strict literal interpretation of the Constitution can't justify their practices by claiming that's what the framers wanted, Breyer responded: "I meant that the extent to which the Constitution is flexible is a function of what provisions you're talking about. When you look at the word 'two' for two representatives from every state in the United States Senate, two means two. But when you look like a word – look at a word like 'interstate commerce,' which they didn't have automobiles in mind, or they didn't have airplanes in mind, or telephones, or the Internet, or you look at a word like 'liberty,' and they didn't have in mind at that time the problems of privacy brought about, for example, by the Internet and computers. You realize that the framers intended those words to maintain constant values, but values that would change in their application as society changed."

In an unrelated matter, O'Connor indicated on "This Week" that she would likely serve out the next term on the court, dismssing speculation that she was about to retire.

The current court is split between Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Clarence Thomas and Scalia, who tend to hold the traditional constitutionalist approach to rulings, and the majority of O'Connor, Breyer, Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginzburg, David H. Souter and John Paul Stevens, who tend to believe in the concept of a "living Constitution" subject to changes in public opinion and interpretation.


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To: judicial meanz; Admin Moderator
Sorry-formatting failed. Let me clean it up a bit. Admin, could you please remove the previous post due to my errors in formatting?


I think its high time we clean that snake pit out. Any federal official can be impeached from office. Breyer seems to feel the COnstitution is an antiquated document.

This is an excerpted text from a 1957 Supreme Court Impeachment attempt:


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Whereas, the Constitution provides in Article I and repeatedly elsewhere in plain, simple words that all legislative powers granted to the United States are vested in the Congress of the United States;

and Whereas, a republic is "a government of laws and not of men" in which all laws are established by the people themselves, either by immemorial customs or by their own elected representatives in legislative assemblies established for such purpose;

yet, nevertheless, laws established by immemorial customs, (or common law) were not adjusted to and hence were not adopted by the Constitution for the Union, and hence the federal judiciary was given no jurisdiction of such laws.

Thus "judicial power" was "extended" by Article III from nothing in the Articles of Confederation to "cases," in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their "authority" in Article III.

"Judicial power" was further "extended" in Article III so as to permit the federal judiciary to try "cases and controversies" depending upon the laws of nations and of states, in certain clearly defined and specified instances;


and, Whereas, Article VI of the Constitution plainly provides that nothing except the Constitution itself, laws enacted by Congress in accordance with the Constitution and treaties theretofore existing or which should thereafter be made in accordance with the Constitution, should be the "law of the land" "supreme" over the constitution and laws of the several states;

and, Whereas, the usurpation of power by an officer of government is such misconduct as constitutes a misdemeanor within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution, and the promotion of the cause of and shielding adherents to communism is the giving of aid or comfort to the enemies of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment;


and Whereas, the following named Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States under the color of their offices and while purporting to exercise powers vested in them as members of the Supreme Court of the United States have unlawfully usurped the powers of the people to amend the Constitution and have exercised legislative powers vested solely in the Congress, or reserved to the states, or to the people

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Fits quite well, doesnt it?

(thanks admin)
61 posted on 07/07/2003 7:37:15 AM PDT by judicial meanz
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To: mrobison
If there's a conflict with international documents, then those documents should be changed to conform with the US constitution. We are the world's longest lived democracy, so we must be doing something right. If this gets the EUrotrash's or the third world's panties in a wad, tough.
62 posted on 07/07/2003 7:37:46 AM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: mrobison
What's the process for removing a jurist from the bench?

For Breyer to say that is tantamount to abdicating his oath to defend the Constitution.

63 posted on 07/07/2003 7:39:50 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mrobison
whether our Constitution and how it fits into the governing documents of other nations,

MY Constitution DOES NOT FIT INTO THE GOVERNMENT OF OTHER NATIONS. It is the governing document of the United States of America. period, end of discussion.

How unAmerican can these idiots go before they are removed from the SCOTUS? This is beyond reason.

64 posted on 07/07/2003 7:40:19 AM PDT by zip
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To: jwalsh07
Impeach him.
65 posted on 07/07/2003 7:40:50 AM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: jwalsh07
What's your vote, impeachment or tar and feathers?

Yes.

66 posted on 07/07/2003 7:40:55 AM PDT by mhking
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To: smith288
If Breyer really thinks it should soccumb to international will, Breyer should be impeached post haste.

Naw, this is great! Imagine the things we can do if we can just find some other podunk country that thinks it should be allowed. If European views on gays should be an excuse to override our Constitution, surely we can use the Sudan to bring back slavery (that'll cure the homeless/panhandling/overpopulated prison/unwanted children problem right quick!)

We can use Saudi to bring back forced marriages and honor killings (got a teenaged daughter you can't handle? You'll like this one!).

We can use Singapore to bring back corporal punishment (solve the graffiti problem/ gum-on-the-sidewalk problem/ curb-your-dog issue overnight).

We can use China's policies to kill political prisoners and harvest their organs (no more waiting for kidneys, I got a university professor caught bad-mouthing the prez and he's a type A negative, yay!).

We can use North Korea to bring back torturing those suspected of crimes (solve that Laci Peterson case in 24 hours with a signed confession!)

Oh boy, what a great precedent Breyer's gonna set with this one! Let's all write him and tell him the neat things he can open the door for!

67 posted on 07/07/2003 7:41:05 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: mrobison
I'd say impeach the miserable b@sta@rds, but it would be useless. After all, there are 49 Dems and Jeffords plus a handful of RINOS, including "Scottish Law" Spector. We would never get a conviction. The jury agrees with the justices and has become their rooting gallery.

It is becoming more and more obvious that hot tar and feathers may be the recourse of best effect and least violence. Neither the plain words of the Constitution nor the checks placed therein on these arrogant ursurpers seem to work.

68 posted on 07/07/2003 7:41:14 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Sgt_Schultze
"...if the World Court decides that there is no right to dissent from liberal orhtodoxy, the first amendment too might be squelched."

60 years ago, "much of the Western World" decided that it was ok to burn Jews in ovens. I guess Breyer would have gone along and followed orders.

69 posted on 07/07/2003 7:42:42 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: mrobison
"I meant that the extent to which the Constitution is flexible is a function of what provisions you're talking about. When you look at the word 'two' for two representatives from every state in the United States Senate, two means two. But when you look like a word..."

I suppose it all depends upon what your interpretation of "is" is.

70 posted on 07/07/2003 7:42:43 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: mrobison
Sadly, there's nothing new here.

Thompson V. Oklahoma from 1988: "...The conclusion that it would offend civilized standards of decency to execute a person who was less than 16 years old at the time of his or her offense is consistent with the views that have been expressed by respected professional organizations, by other nations that share our Anglo-American heritage, and by the leading members of the Western European community. ... The death penalty has been abolished in West Germany, France, Portugal, The Netherlands, and all of the Scandinavian countries, and is available only for exceptional crimes such as treason in Canada, Italy, Spain, and Switzerland. Juvenile executions are also prohibited in the Soviet Union."

But hwether we adopt other countries' views is up to the legislature. As is responding to opinion polls.

The Court does not see the ironic futility of an unelected tribunal trying to be the "engine of democracy"!

71 posted on 07/07/2003 7:43:26 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrobison
Shades of representation without taxation.
73 posted on 07/07/2003 7:44:02 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay
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To: mrobison
FIRE BREYER!
74 posted on 07/07/2003 7:44:05 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: mrobison
"We see all the time, Justice O'Connor and I, and the others, how the world really – it's trite but it's true – is growing together," Breyer said. "Through commerce, through globalization, through the spread of democratic institutions, through immigration to America, it's becoming more and more one world of many different kinds of people. And how they're going to live together across the world will be the challenge, and whether our Constitution and how it fits into the governing documents of other nations, I think will be a challenge for the next generations."

Does our Republican Administration have the "balls" to recall this man that took an oath to uphold the constitution?

Is there some thing we can do?

75 posted on 07/07/2003 7:44:08 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: DAnconia55
Impeach him.

Now that's the DAnconia I'm talking about.

76 posted on 07/07/2003 7:44:36 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: freedomsnotfree
We know they believe it, but the fact that they openly state it, is very telling.

They are putting the technology in place to monitor our movements. They will know to the item what you own.

The day is past when people will be able to form a serious resistance. 1984 is here. Picture a boot grinding into a human face, forever.

78 posted on 07/07/2003 7:45:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: RnMomof7
No and no
79 posted on 07/07/2003 7:45:55 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud, hatch out!)
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To: mrobison
Breyer had held that a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights that homosexuals had a fundamental right to privacy in their sexual behavior showed that the Supreme Court's earlier decision to the contrary was unfounded in the Western tradition.

You can't argue with illogic like that.

80 posted on 07/07/2003 7:45:55 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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