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'Asteroid Impact Could Have Prompted Constantine's Conversion'
Ananova ^ | 6-18-2003

Posted on 06/18/2003 4:45:56 PM PDT by blam

'Asteroid impact could have prompted Constantine's conversion'

An asteroid which exploded like a nuclear bomb may have converted the Roman emperor Constantine to Christianity it is now being claimed.

Scientists have discovered an impact crater dating from the fourth of fifth century in the Italian Apennine mountains.

They believe the crater in the Sirente mountains, which is larger than a football field, could explain the legend of Constantine's conversion.

Accounts from the 4th century describe how barbarians stood at the gates of the Roman empire while a Christian movement threatened its stability from within.

It is said the emperor saw an amazing vision in the sky, converted to Christianity on the spot, and led his army to victory under the sign of the cross.

Swedish geologist Jens Ormo discovered the crater after spotting a photograph of an unusually round lake in Italy's Sirente-Velino Regional Park.

A visit to the site quickly identified several tell-tale features of an impact crater, New Scientist magazine reported.

The seasonal lake, 140 metres across, had a pronounced raised rim and no inlet or outlet, being filled by rainfall.

Ormo's team believe they were made when an asteroid about 10 metres in diameter shattered during entry into the atmosphere.

New Scientist said: "From the crater size, Ormo estimates that the impact had an explosive force of a kiloton - equivalent to a very small nuclear weapon. Indeed, it would have looked like a nuclear blast, with shock waves, earthquakes and a mushroom cloud."

Story filed: 19:21 Wednesday 18th June 2003


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More impacts in historical times.
1 posted on 06/18/2003 4:45:56 PM PDT by blam
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The Discovery Of The Sirente Crater Field

Article, pictures and etc.

2 posted on 06/18/2003 4:48:29 PM PDT by blam
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"Accounts from the 4th century describe how barbarians stood at the gates of the Roman empire while a Christian movement threatened its stability from within."

Augustine utterly destroyed this theory in his book "City of God", (412 A.D.). He lived in Rome during the Barbarian invasions and recorded that it was Rome's pagan lifestyle that was responsible for the sack of Rome, and not Chrisianity.

3 posted on 06/18/2003 5:02:51 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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I don't know about the science, but the history is wrong. Constantine saw the flaming cross (and ordered his soldiers to put the sign of the cross on their shields) BEFORE he became emperor. Also I don't think an asteroid was able to speak to Constantine and tell him, "In hoc signo vinces." Course you never know about these pesky exploding asteroids; seems like they were everywhere (sort of like an ancient Greg Packer).
4 posted on 06/18/2003 5:04:14 PM PDT by Martin Tell
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Course you never know about these pesky exploding asteroids; seems like they were everywhere (sort of like an ancient Greg Packer).

Or even a modern Tourist Guy.

NFP

5 posted on 06/18/2003 5:07:36 PM PDT by Notforprophet (Be ye not lost among precepts of Order)
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To: blam
"An asteroid which exploded like a nuclear bomb may have converted the Roman emperor Constantine to Christianity it is now being claimed."

So, an asteroid was responsible for the conversion of Constantine and created Christendom? hehehe. I suppose the dust from this collision created the huge Cross that Constantine saw in the sky, and it also formed the words he saw: "in hoc signo vinces", (in this sign you shall conquer). These scientists are getting funnier and funnier every day. :o)

6 posted on 06/18/2003 5:08:42 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Martin Tell
Also I don't think an asteroid was able to speak to Constantine and tell him, "In hoc signo vinces."

However, I have no problem believing that if God wanted to influence Constantine that he would arrange for an asteroid to drop at just that moment in just that place. While the peculiarly shaped mushroom cloud (a big P with an X through it?) was rising He would have simply placed the words in his ear. I don't have any issues with him starting that asteroid on that particular course, oh say, 2 billion years ago. No problemo. Oh, and the cloud could easily be caused by a convenient cold front and some clear air turbulance. He built the universe. He would probably tend to use the tools he built in. It would do less violence to His creation. (there seems to be a trend to the threads I'm feeling compelled to contribute to tonight. I may have to think about this some..... )

7 posted on 06/18/2003 5:40:49 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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Agreed. This story reminds me of scientists who "proved" that a volcano caused the plagues God sent on the Egyptians as well as the parting of the Red Sea (in fact, remember the scene in "The Ten Commandments" where Yul Brener says as much to Mr. Heston (Moses)). Scientists are way too eager to prove God does not exist by positing "sceintific" causes for His actions. I believe there is no contradition between reason, (real) science, and faith.
8 posted on 06/18/2003 5:49:38 PM PDT by Martin Tell
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To: blam
Another comet explanation, gotta love it. I bet someone will come up with a theory that a comet discovered America next.
9 posted on 06/18/2003 5:52:21 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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More impacts in historical times

Can't buy it. There's absolutely nothing in the historical record relating to this "impact". You'd think that a few more people besides Constantine would have noticed this, wouldn't you?

10 posted on 06/18/2003 6:02:56 PM PDT by pgkdan
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"There's absolutely nothing in the historical record relating to this "impact". "

I wonder how they would describe such things?

This guy, Professor Mike Baillie, thinks Beowulf may be about a comet swarm impacting.

11 posted on 06/18/2003 6:27:35 PM PDT by blam
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"In hoc signo vinces."

I didn't know he was a Sigma Chi?


Eaker

12 posted on 06/18/2003 6:30:59 PM PDT by Eaker (Adiós reality; I want to be a Jack-Ass millionaire!!............;<)
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To: pgkdan
Some more of Baillie's thoughts.

The Dark Ages: Were they Darker Than We Imagined?

13 posted on 06/18/2003 6:35:24 PM PDT by blam
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Accounts from the 4th century describe how barbarians stood at the gates of the Roman empire while a Christian movement threatened its stability from within.

Who writes this cr@p?
14 posted on 06/18/2003 6:40:30 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Martin Tell
I don't know about the science, but the history is wrong. Constantine saw the flaming cross (and ordered his soldiers to put the sign of the cross on their shields) BEFORE he became emperor.

Constantine was one of the four co-emperors (tetrarchs) at that time.
15 posted on 06/18/2003 6:43:13 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: blam
Of course it could not have been the influence of the Holy Spirit in his life - it HAD to be a scientifically explainable phenomenon.

I am always amused by the smallness of some minds. How arrogant to believe that a human mind could wrap itself around our Holy God. You kids just keep on trying to apply your human mind to this mystery, it will keep you busy for eons. ;^)

16 posted on 06/18/2003 6:48:29 PM PDT by PLK
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http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/piero/san-francesco/dream.jpg
17 posted on 06/18/2003 6:52:43 PM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is democracy . /s)
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To: PLK
God would be pleased to have us examine His creation in detail and appreciate it fully by trying to figure it out through science.

-Sir Thomas More [more or less]

18 posted on 06/18/2003 7:01:05 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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"You kids just keep on trying to apply your human mind to this mystery."

LOL!

19 posted on 06/18/2003 7:01:46 PM PDT by blam
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To: Martin Tell
I believe there is no contradition between reason, (real) science, and faith.

Any contradictions are in our failure to understand, not in God's ability to work His will. The cliche is that Einstein described math as the language of God. I believe that this is true of the real, correct, results of the scientific method. When we really understand the universe and the laws it runs by we will better understand what God has in mind for us. I fully agree with your point. Not only do I see no contradiction, I see confirmation.

Of course trying to explain this to a teacher at my uncle's bible school (an uncle kicked out of Bob Jones' for being too conservative) at an abandoned Nike missle site in southern Jersey back in the 60's (I didn't see any problem reconciling evolution with the sequence of events in Genesis) earned me a caning... ah well.

20 posted on 06/18/2003 7:08:13 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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