Posted on 08/11/2019 1:16:42 PM PDT by PsyCon
You need to become a member.
The problem with this mentality, is that it has been the battlecry for since at least as long as I have been voting which is only 1988.
As conservatives, we are always told we need to hold our noses or things might end up worse if a Democrat wins. Yet many times, when the Republican wins, we still essentially end up with a Democrat and watch as liberty erodes.
In all honesty, maybe America needs a good punch in the gut, and maybe it will be a wake up call. If you think that any of these so-called red flag laws pass, that they will be rescinded if the Republicans gain power, think again.
Pass the laws, and lose the votes. Let's have the chips fall where they may and get the cart down the inevitable path sooner. Conservatives can't keep claiming to be principled only to keep allowing them to shift when the mood seems right.
One of the best RED FLAG quotes is here.
“Anyone posting a placard the Germans didn’t like would be liable for immediate execution, and a similar penalty was provided for those who failed to turn in firearms or radio sets within twenty four hours.”—RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH by William Shirer. Page 782 my copy. Simon and Schuster. 1960
Posters guns and radios.
Which rights have you had taken away by Republicans? I live in Texas, and so far I cannot think of a SINGLE GUN LAW that has gotten worse under Trump, or due to Republicans at the national level (with the tiny exception of bump-stocks, something that no one ever heard of until Las Vegas).
I’ll willing to give the Republicans a chance to f-up before I’m willing to entrust the country to AOC and her judges.
Sorry, I’m not going to give the GOP a medal for doing nothing.
Meanwhile, the Bill of Rights is being shredded and the GOP couldn’t care less. From Big Tech abuses to the Mueller Coup the GOP has been completely AWOL in these historic times. Even worse these Quisling Republicans have given top cover to progressive Democrats and the Deep State as they have assaulted POTUS and his supporters.
“If you think that any of these so-called red flag laws pass, that they will be rescinded if the Republicans gain power, think again.”
I know one thing, it we hand the country over to the Dems, they have NO PLANS to play nice with us anymore or even try for our votes - so yes, they won’t bother with red flags, they’ll simply TAKE THE GUNS, ALL OF THEM, and with the National Popular Vote, PR and DC Statehood, wide open Voter Fraud - they won’t have a reason to play nice or ever worry about losing again. I guess we can move to Idaho and hold out for a year or two, as they will require a bit of staging before making their assault on us. I guess.
As to ‘trusting the Republicans’ to repeal a red flag law on their own, I actually do agree with you. They won’t. But at least there is a DAMN GOOD CHANCE that we’ll have RGB replaced on the Supreme Court, along with flipping another seat. Give 7-2 on the Supreme Court, and IF Trump does a good job in filling the seats (do you really think AOC will do a better job), then there it becomes VERY LIKELY that any red flag laws will be overturned or at least severely restricted, if they’re shown to step on 2nd Amendment Rights.
Again...none of the above happens if we let the Democrats, today’s Democrats, led by AOC, have the country - and only because of a relative handful of RINOs. So my advice to you - start looking at land in Idaho.
As a member of the GOA, I fully support their stance on this issue.
Exactly.
I’ve had this conversation with Gun Grabbers many times. What they call “compromise” is just a negotiation over how much of your rights you give up. They never ever intend to give up anything. When you broach the subject of what they’re prepared to give up, they become incensed and storm out.
Its been gone a while. We are now seeing the consequences.
That is exactly what the people doing the mass shootings want you to do. Since when do we let terrorists decide our political direction in the USA?
Many of the mass shooters want to trigger gun control - either because they are themselves in favor of gun control, like the guy who just launched a terror attack in Dayton, or because they are trying to start a larger war, like the guy in New Zealand.
How about responding to the "do something" call of the left with actions to improve mental health care, limit access to violent video games, and perhaps limit the kind of material people who may have violent thoughts are allowed to watch.
Why not have a background check before people are allowed to see a violent movie, or buy a violent video game? People who are known to have problematic behavior, like the kid in Dayton, should be required to have mental health treatment, and forbidden from, for example, playing first person shooter video games.
Of course that tramples on their 1st amendment rights, but isn't that better than trampling on everyone's 2nd amendment rights?
Of course we'll see nothing but opposition to those ideas by the Democrats, so the Soccer Moms, as you call them, will realize that the Democrats aren't trying to save their kids, just set up our nation for tyranny.
Been there, done that ...
As to ‘trusting the Republicans’ to repeal a red flag law on their own, I actually do agree with you. They won’t. But at least there is a DAMN GOOD CHANCE that we’ll have RGB replaced on the Supreme Court, along with flipping another seat. Give 7-2 on the Supreme Court, and IF Trump does a good job in filling the seats (do you really think AOC will do a better job), then there it becomes VERY LIKELY that any red flag laws will be overturned or at least severely restricted, if they’re shown to step on 2nd Amendment Rights.
Again...none of the above happens if we let the Democrats, today’s Democrats, led by AOC, have the country - and only because of a relative handful of RINOs. So my advice to you - start looking at land in Idaho.
Was it a Democrat who gave us Souter. I am not going to count my Kavanaugh chickens until they hatch.
You can’t see the forest for the trees. We’re going lose our gun rights when Florida and Texas turn blue. That will happen because the GOP has lied to us for 30 years about wanting a secure border. And they were never held accountable because of the exact “the GOP are better than Democrats” attitude you are advocating. How did that work out in California? How are gun rights in CA these days?
Almost enough to make me think that I smell soi pizza.
Every mass shooting has one thing in common:
Wonder when it might dawn on someone to start looking at this alarming data and stop blaming it on guns?
https://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/every-mass-shooting-in-the-last-20-years-shares-psychotropic-drugs/
Red flag law may be unconstitutional if police can come to your house taking your firearms away without a warrant. All just because of a rumor by an ex-wife?
I’ve been saying that about government schools a long time.
Although I do think we need to say “no” to GOPe, we are fighting a long term losing battle if we do not remove our children from public schools.
FReep this!
MASSIVELY!
Well at least the charade will collapse and we’ll know that it’s time for the final box to be put into use. In all honesty, Trump’s win was a bit of a fluke, and caught the elites by surprise, so don’t expect that to happen again.
Just look at precincts that have more votes cast than registered voters, and when they all Democrat votes, the Republican Party basically shrugs it shoulders.
As for effectiveness of the Republicans when they do have the majority, what happens....not much but maintenance of the status quo, and Trump has disrupted that apple cart; which means there are Pubbies that want him gone as well.
I’m not registering or giving up squat. So even if something does pass since the 2nd Amendment doesn’t give me anything. But as I said, perhaps there needs to a major wake up call to really show everyone how much in trouble the Republic truly is.
How many mass shooters had sealed juvenile police records?
An adult’s sealed juvenile record is not considered when a gun purchase background check is performed.
Nor, apparently, are juvenile shrink/mental health referrals looked into.
Many of these shooters should have been locked away long before they committed their evil act!
I don’t think there’s any question of that, without due process.
“But as I said, perhaps there needs to a major wake up call to really show everyone how much in trouble the Republic truly is.”
That’s certainly true, but it is a slow process. We let the Left into our schools, to indoctrinate OUR CHILDREN, so we all (collectively) have plenty of blame on our hands.
About our only hope is 4 more years of Trump, getting, hopefully, enough decent judges to start turning back the left, because getting people to WAKE UP and realize what’s happening to this country is futile, at least for the next 20 years or so.
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