Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Rand Paul: "Extraordinary" to have a president born outside the U.S.
cbs ^ | January 10, 2016, 1:51 PM | Rebecca Kaplan

Posted on 01/10/2016 10:04:20 PM PST by Red Steel

Weighing on the controversy over whether Canadian-born Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz is eligible to be president, his fellow senator Rand Paul said Sunday that it would be "extraordinary" to have a president born outside of the U.S.

"He would be the first president not born in the United States. And so that alone would be extraordinary. And so people have to decide for their own minds whether it makes a difference where someone is born," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday.

...

Paul predicted Sunday that Democrats would challenge Cruz's eligibility and that it would ultimately have to be decided by the Supreme Court.

"It's hasn't been decided," he said.

...

he predicted he will do well on caucus day, pointing to the fact that his campaign just announced 1,000 precinct chairs for the caucus.

"We think we may well be the most organized campaign in Iowa. And that's somewhat unheralded if you watch the polls," Paul said. "But really a caucus is about turning your people out. It's calling them, getting them out."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Cuba; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Florida; US: Iowa; US: Kentucky; US: New York; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016election; arizona; canada; cbs; cuba; election2016; facethenation; florida; iowa; jebbush; johnmccain; kentucky; kimdavis; marcorubio; mitchmcconnell; naturalborncitizen; newyork; paul; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; rebeccakaplan; senatorjohnmccain; senatormccain; tedcruz; texas; trump
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-78 next last
To: Red Steel

Yeah we have one now that was born in Kenya. It’s fricking great. /s


41 posted on 01/11/2016 12:17:06 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Barkeep99

We can learn from history and it can be fun. The post after yours answered the trick question. I only mention President Arthur because he was plagued with the same questions and accusations as Sen. Cruz. It seems this should be truly settled once and for all before the general election. I’m pretty sure Sen. Cruz will have no problem being eligible. The “jackass party” title belongs to the democrats.


42 posted on 01/11/2016 12:46:18 AM PST by make no mistake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: 4rcane

To settle Cruz qualification is to settle Obamas. His father was never a U.S. citizen

If 0 is found to have not qualified nothing he signed will be law. All will be null and void and those who signed off on his eligibility will be charged with fraud. That pretty well wipes out the DNC
So encourage TC to get a judgment!


43 posted on 01/11/2016 1:11:50 AM PST by hoosiermama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: hoosiermama

Paul, might be the sleeper here. Seriously, he might do really well in Iowa.

What if we wake up and we find this?

1. Cruz
2. Paul
3. Trump


44 posted on 01/11/2016 1:31:50 AM PST by nikos1121 ("Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."-- Golda Meir)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel
Oh, another "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICAN" PUPPET ATTACK DOG !

TED CRUZ is by far, the MOST CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE we've got ! Here's the supporting article from Ilya Shapiro, a senior fellow in constitutional studies and editor-in-chief of the Cato Supreme Court Review.
Like most immigrants, he does a job Americans won't: defending the Constitution.
And also on ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, TED CRUZ WINS, hands down !
When it comes to Marco "AMNESTY" Rubio, CRUZ WINS hands down.

Rubio stood with Barack Obama and Chuck Schemer and supported a massive amnesty plan.
    But TED CRUZ chose to stand with others like Jeff Sessions and Steve King and the American people, to secure the border.

They can't stop CRUZ.
Source:
    ... Cruz even indicated he would back deporting those who came here illegally -- another proposal he has usually rebuffed.

    "I would enforce the law," Cruz said, explaining that he would first deport criminals without proper papers.
    "Federal immigration law provides that
      if someone is here illegally and is apprehended,
      that they should be sent back to their home country."

    Cruz has recently begun stressing that he believes the number of undocumented immigrants would decrease with strict border enforcement.
    ...

    "The only people I'm under fire from are reporters who want to throw rocks," Cruz said in Harlan.
    "Once we've demonstrated that we can solve the problem, then we can have a conversation about what to do about whatever people remain illegally."

    The Rubio campaign ...
    "He has attempted to muddy the waters," Cruz said on the stage. "Where there was a battle over amnesty
    and some chose, like Sen. Rubio to stand with Barack Obama and Chuck Schemer
      and support a massive amnesty plan.
    Others chose to stand with Jeff Sessions and Steve King and the American people
      and secure the border."


Let's get VERY CLEAR on TED CRUZ and Immigration:
    Immigration

    As the son of a Cuban immigrant, Sen. Cruz celebrates LEGAL immigration.
    He has championed measures
      to secure the border,
      reform the LEGAL immigration system,
      and uphold the rule of law.

    Americans, and particularly Texans, have witnessed the harmful effects of an unsecure border,
      endangering the lives both of citizens and those who enter illegally.
    President Obama's policies have encouraged drug smugglers, child abusers, murderers, and other dangerous criminals to traffick immigrant children into our nation under life-threatening conditions.
    In the summer of 2013 we witnessed a humanitarian crisis at our Southern Border, propelled by PROMISES OF AMNESTY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE .
    Immigrants deserve a better system in which they will be welcomed to the United States safely and with dignity.

    As a critical step to protecting families and inviting more people to enter LEGALLY, in 2014, Sen. Cruz proposed legislation TO PREVENT OBAMA FROM ILLEGALLY EXPANDING AMNESTY .
    The House acted to solve the ongoing crisis and passed bills that closely mirrored Sen. Cruz’s proposals,
      but regrettably the Senate DemocRATS REFUSED TO ALLOW A VOTE on the measures.

    In 2013, Sen. Cruz proposed amendments to the "Gang of 8";bill that would
      strengthen border security,
      expand green card opportunities,
      increase high-skilled 'H1B'visas, PREVENT ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM RECEIVING WELFARE BENEFITS ,
      and enforce the rule of law.

ALSO from On The Issues :
    Ted Cruz on Immigration

    End Obama's illegal amnesty via Congress' checks & balances
    Q: How to respond to the split within your party on immigration?
    What you're saying is
      that the Republicans should vote to fund the governments for all departments except one:
        no funding for the Department of Homeland Security,
      which handles immigration, rescinding President Obama's executive action,
      and if he vetoes that, he's responsible for shutting down the department.
    The problem is
      that's almost exactly what you did with the government shutdown across the entire government in 2013 with ObamaCare,
      and it backfired badly on your party.

    CRUZ: All across this country, Republicans campaigned, saying:
      if you elect a Republican Senate, we will stop President Obama's illegal amnesty.
    We need to HONOR WHAT WE SAID .
    We should use the constitutional checks and balances that we have TO REIN IN THE ABUSE OF POWER OF THE EXECUTIVE.
      Step #1 is IF the president implements this LAWLESS AMNESTY, that THE SENATE WILL NOT CONFIRM ANY executive or judicial nominees.


    Defund amnesty; and refuse any nominees until rescinded

    Q: How would you rescind President Obama's executive action on immigration?

    CRUZ: We should use the constitutional checks and balances that we have TO REIN IN THE ABUSE OF POWER OF THE EXECUTIVE .
      Step #1 that I have called for is the incoming majority leader should announce IF the president implements this LAWLESS AMNESTY, that THE SENATE WILL NOT CONFIRM ANY executive or judicial nominees,
        other than VITALl national security positions,
      for the next two years,
      UNLESS AND UNTIL the president ENDS THIS LAWLESS AMNESTY .
    That is AN EXPLICIT AUTHORITY given TO the Senate.

    Q: Are you saying the Senate should REFUSE TO CONFIRM the president's new nominee for attorney general?

    CRUZ: We have to REIN IN the executive.
    And step #2, we've got is THE POWER OF THE PURSE,
      and we should FUND ONE AT A TIME the CRITICAL PRIORITIES of the federal government,
        but ALSO USE THE POWER OF THE PURSE TO ATTACH RIDERS .


    No path to citizenship for 1.65 million illegals in Texas

    When discussing what to do about the 1.65 million ILLEGAL immigrants living in Texas, . . . CRUZ again said
      HE DID NOT SUPPORT A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGAL immigrants living in America, . . .

      Give police more power to ask about immigration status

      Cruz accused Dewhurst of using his position as head of the Texas Senate to KILL A BILL last year that would have given police more power to ask anyone they detain about their citizenship status--a charge Dewhurst denied.
      Both agreed that the US has FAILED TO SECURE ITS BORDER with Mexico,
      and said they OPPOSE AMNESTY for ILLEGAL immigrants and the Obama administration's new directive
        allowing many young illegal immigrants brought to the US as children to be exempted from deportation.


      Boots on the ground, plus a wall

      Border wall: James and Leppert OPPOSE A WALL,
      Dewhurst and CRUZ tout "boots on the ground" AND A WALL IN SOME PLACES .


      Triple the size of the Border Patrol

      CRUZ on immigration: Wants to TRIPLE [the]SIZE of Border Patrol.
      Says Dewhurst supported in-state tuition for kids of ILLEGAL immigrants.
      Dewhurst: I have always been against an amnesty program.
        "If they want to be a citizen, they ought to go home and reapply."
      Dewhurst says he was against tuition for children of illegal immigrants.


      Strengthen border security and increase enforcement

      Ted Cruz has worked to STRENGTHEN BORDER SECURITY and help ensure that America remains a nation of laws.
      Among other efforts, he has worked on efforts to INCREASE PENALTIES for felons WHO ENTER THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY .
      Ted authored a U.S. Supreme Court amicus brief on behalf of 10 states in Lopez v. Gonzales,ILLEGALLY .




Let's take a close look at what TED CRUZ said at that time about his amendment to the "Gang of Eight amnesty/ citizenship bill" :

    Cruz In 2013 On Providing Legal Status To Illegal Immigrants ( 2:14 )

    Published on Nov 12, 2015

    U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, Hearing, 5/21/2013:
      "And I'd like to make a final point to those advocacy groups that are very engaged in this issue
      and rightly concerned about addressing our immigration system
      and, in particular, about addressing the situation for the 11 million who are currently in the shadows.
      If this amendment is adopted to the current bill, the effect would be that those 11 million under this current bill would still be eligible for RPI status.
      They would still be eligible for legal status and indeed, under the terms of the bill, they would be eligible for LPR status as well so that they are out of the shadows,
      which the proponents of this bill repeatedly point to as THEIR principal objective to provide a legal status for those who are here illegally to be out of the shadows.
      This amendment would allow that happen, ...

      "But what it would do, is it would REMOVE the pathway to citizenship, for REAL consequences that RESPECT the RULE OF LAW,
      and that treat LEGAL Immigrants with the fairness and respect they deserve,
      And a second point to those advocates that are so passionately engaged,
        In my view, if this committee rejects this amendment,
        and I think everyone here views that it is quite likely that this committee will indeed reject this amendment,

      In my view that decision will make it much, much more likely that this entire bill will FAIL in the House of Representatives.

      I don't want immigration reform to fail.
      I want immigration reform to pass.
      And so I would urge people of good faith on both sides of the aisle,
        if the objective is to pass common sense immigration reform that SECURES THE BORDERS, that improves LEGAL immigration, and that allows those who are here illegally to come in out of the shadows;
        then we should look for areas of bipartisan agreement and compromised to come together.
        And this amendment,
        I believe, if this amendment were to pass, the chances of this bill passing into law would increase dramatically."

The intent was TO EXPOSE the "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" AND THE DemocRATS for their dishonesty.
THEY were trying to LEGISLATE the ILLEGAL ALIENS a PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP.

TED CRUZ was trying to amend the Bill so as TO STOP THEM,
    by REMOVING the pathway to citizenship,
    for REAL consequences that RESPECT the RULE OF LAW,

    and that treat LEGAL Immigrants with the fairness and respect they deserve.

45 posted on 01/11/2016 1:38:04 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nailbiter

Not if we don’t close our borders.


46 posted on 01/11/2016 2:15:35 AM PST by Aria (Abortion = murder, the taking of a human life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

Actually, there were nine presidents who were not born in “The United States,” as since “The States” weren’t “United” until 1776, they were born in a British Colony.


47 posted on 01/11/2016 2:19:56 AM PST by ObamaMustGo2012 (Obama Must Go In 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KGeorge
It's crazy not to nip this in the bud, since it's so easy to do (unless it isn't)

EXACTLY. Yesterday I came out with an absurd-case hypothetical situation that would be "natural born citizen" under birth situations that paralleled Cruz's. I got roundly put down by Cruzers who didn't get or didn't want to get my point. I'm not comfortable with the part about a foreign-born US President.

FWIW, McCain's situation was different. He was born in US territory, and still got US Senate approval before he ran.

48 posted on 01/11/2016 2:32:02 AM PST by grania
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: abigkahuna
I wonder if the children of Queen Noor of Jordan would be considered natural born citizens and be allowed to run for President?

Thank you. This is a non-extreme example of what I was trying to convey yesterday. I look forward to the responses you receive.

49 posted on 01/11/2016 2:35:20 AM PST by grania
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Peter ODonnell
Are you saying that the situation that should've been challenged, and would've been challenged if establishment 'pubs weren't complicit, should become precedent? It's now-or-never time to settle the issue:

Can someone not born in the US be US president? Even in Obama's case, his supporters were very diligent about proving that Obama was born in the US.

50 posted on 01/11/2016 2:42:46 AM PST by grania
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

Rand Paul On Shutdown: "Even Though It Appeared I Was Participating In It, It Was A Dumb Idea"
I said throughout the whole battle that shutting down the government was a dumb idea. Even though it did appear as if I was participating in it, I said it was a dumb idea. And the reason I voted for it, though, is that it's a conundrum. Here's the conundrum. We have a $17 trillion debt and people at home tell me you can't give the president a blank check. We just can't keep raising the debt ceiling without conditions. So unconditionally raising the debt ceiling, nobody at home wants me to vote for that and I can't vote for that. But the conundrum is if I don't we do approach these deadlines. So there is an impasse. In 2011, though, we had this impasse and the president did negotiate. We got the sequester. If we were to extend the sequester from discretionary spending to all the entitlements we would actually fix our problem within a few years.
[Posted on 11/19/2013 12:16:51 PM by Third Person]
Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften war stance
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
[Posted on 01/31/2013 5:08:50 PM PST by xzins]
Rand Paul's immigration speech
...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let's start that conversation by acknowledging we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
[Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg]
Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform
Latinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but "Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration." ...he would create a bipartisan panel to determine how many visas should be granted for workers already in the United States and those who might follow... [and the buried lead] "Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers...
[Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie]
[but he's not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists]
[Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat]

51 posted on 01/11/2016 3:14:10 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

Well, well, well. So Rand is a birfer now as well because he also recognizes the likelihood of a RAT legal challenge to a Ted Cruz candidacy.

All those people who say that won’t happen have their heads in the sand and refuse to admit the reality that justice is dispensed differently when the target is a conservative rather than a liberal.

And this is true regardless of font size.


52 posted on 01/11/2016 3:33:54 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nikos1121; hoosiermama

The issue with Rand Paul: as a Republican, I nod along with him for ten minutes. Then at the eleventh minute, he explains a kooky opinion on something else and I completely forget everything he said the first ten minutes.

I don’t think the polls are capturing his contingent in Nevada.


53 posted on 01/11/2016 3:36:04 AM PST by Read Write Repeat (Not one convinced me they want the job yet)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Red Steel

It is entirely possible that we already have one such.


54 posted on 01/11/2016 4:05:06 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nikos1121

Or
Trump
Paul
Cruz

Don’t know that FR could survive that one


55 posted on 01/11/2016 4:28:12 AM PST by hoosiermama
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: abigkahuna

It’s a point I have made. What if Cruz was born in Saudi Arabia?


56 posted on 01/11/2016 4:41:54 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Yosemitest

I guess it’s an effort to smother simple logic with a thousand cotton balls. Born a citizen by statute, IS NOT NATURAL BORN. . sorry.


57 posted on 01/11/2016 4:45:05 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: DouglasKC
-- There's no way that this can or will be resolved until it's in the courts. --

There is no need to resolve it unless Cruz becomes president-elect, and then Congress has the power to decide whether or not he is constitutionally qualified. The 20th amendment anticipates an unqualified person becoming president-elect. The question is for Congress to take up, not the courts.

The candidates are free to risk an adverse ruling from Congress, and each voter will decide whether or not to vote for a candidate based on what that voter believes.

FWIW, the courts have taken up the question indirectly, in citizenship cases, and universally, without exception, express the principle that a person born abroad is not an NBC.

58 posted on 01/11/2016 4:48:00 AM PST by Cboldt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: jennychase

First Muslim Female President of USA.

Epic diversity. Let’s go for it. /sarc


59 posted on 01/11/2016 4:49:26 AM PST by Hang'emAll (If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
WRONG !

FACT: Cruz’s father’s Cuban nationality at the time of Cruz’s birth, is irrelevant, according to the law at that time,
just so long as he was a LEGAL Immigrant at the time of Ted Cruz's birth,
AND both of Ted Cruz's parents were legally married to each other. So there is the law for the time Ted Cruz was born,
AND HOW Ted Cruz's PARENTS fulfilled ALL those requirements of the law that time, for Ted Cruz to be a "Natural Born Citizen".
Ted Cruz did NOT NEED a Court and a Judge to "Nationalize" him.

One more thing, listen to a REAL CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER:
60 posted on 01/11/2016 5:14:25 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-78 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson