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Can We Prevent a Second Civil War?
JPFO ^ | 2011 | Kirby Ferris

Posted on 04/29/2011 9:26:36 AM PDT by marktwain

There are three issues that could presently trigger a Civil War in America:

* Illegal aliens. A government that refuses to protect our borders, the methodical structure of citizenship, and the rule of law, will only be tolerated for so long. America is reaching a tipping point on this issue.

* Abortion. Irreconcilable differences here. This may likely become as potent an issue as slavery was in the 1860s.

* The right to keep and bear arms - see "2A Today for The USA"

No other significant present day problems could potentially result in the “brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.

Sooner or later, the massive invasion of America by illegal aliens will be confronted, if not by the rule of law then by either armed police officers and soldiers … or armed citizens. There are twenty million or more illegal aliens entrenched in this nation now. How many tens of millions more will it take to reach a tipping point? At what point will law enforcement agencies and/or the military begin to do the job they were sworn to do? At what point will citizens themselves be forced, by government inactivity, to confront this invasion by force of arms?

Will the liberal politicians actually allow this showdown? Is this actually the sort of crisis opportunism that Obama’s Rahm Immanuel, and other leftist cultural Marxists, relish?

As an American, and a gun owner, would you take to the street to confront this illegal alien invasion? Do you have a personal breaking point on this issue?

I won’t deal with abortion here, except to note that the anti-abortion forces have the same moral intensity and personal commitment that was demonstrated by the slavery abolitionists of the nineteenth century. We saw where that led in America.

However, there is a third possible cause of a Second American Civil War: infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

This nation’s Second Amendment freedoms have too long been burdened with the lethargic, tunnel vision behavior of the gun owners known as “Elmer Fudds”, or, as Aaron Zelman used to call them “quackers”. This is the “good ole’ boy” type who simply doesn’t care about gun registrations, permits, regulations, or even confiscations, as long as he can keep his deer rifle or shotgun and exercise his “sportin’ rights”. This myopic fellow can be bought off for the price of a buck tag or duck license. Even Senator Chuck Schumer is a “Fudd”! “I ain’t gonna take your shotguns away, fellas!”

On the other side of the room from the Fudds is the “Cold Dead Fingers” crowd. A lot of tough talk over in that camp. A lot of arm chair patriotism and rhetorical heat. A lot of “let ‘em try to take my guns!” chest puffing. But somewhere at the core of this quite large group of gun owners is a determined minority that does really mean it.

I would assert that every single one of these very determined armed Americans has some idea, deep in his or her heart, as to what their personal “line in the sand” actually is. When it comes to this amorphous, mostly low profile, group, the hammer is cocked. These folks are getting to be known as the “Three Percenters”.

What the cultural Marxists, elitists, and authoritarians who advocate “gun control” (read "Know Thine Enemy") don’t seem to be able to grasp is the strange fact that a significant minority of human beings are willing to fight ferociously to preserve their freedoms. This irascible minority has yet to be awakened to action. But they’re sleeping with one eye open.

The attacks on the Second Amendment have, since 1934, been so gradual and incremental that the victim disarmament forces have prevailed to an amazing degree. They hear the loud complaints of gun owners, then make strategic “compromises” with other compromisers, and then, sure as day, there’s another gun regulation, permit process, limitation, restriction, tax burden, or license needed for each of us to exercise an unalienable right that, according to the American Bill of Rights, “shall not be infringed”.

Makes me think of the laughs I got as a kid when, in the Bugs Bunny cartoons, Elmer Fudd’s head turned into a big “SUCKER” when Bugs had tricked him once again. What also comes to mind is Charlie Brown and Lucy with her football, the football, that, to my knowledge, Charlie Brown was never able to kick. Only, unlike the comics, few of us are smiling about this. This could become deadly serious. Because the sneaking vermin cannot be allowed to win.

What must be obvious to any truly concerned American gun owner is that we absolutely must take EVERY action afforded us to prevent a Second American Civil War. This means that gun owners must become far more personally involved. Gun owners have to really grow fangs and learn to “snarl” in a societal and political sense. Wake up! You are the “gun lobby” these insidious liars and manipulators complain about! Remind them of that in every lawful way that you can.

Do you want to remain completely anonymous, but still help? A blank postal money order sent to GOA, SAF or JPFO works just fine, thanks.

We have to learn how to warn these gun prohibitionists off with unrelenting determination. When we gain a political victory or legal victory like the Heller or McDonald cases, we must be willing to dig into our own pockets and financially support those who truly won those victories, so that they may drive forward and win another, and another, with relentless momentum.

Political activism doesn’t need to cost much at all, especially in this day and age of email and unlimited phone calling plans. If you can’t afford to donate money to a Second Amendment organization, write the letters, send the emails, and make the phone calls in support of our gun rights. Talk to your gun owner friends and neighbors. Don’t let them remain Fudds or Quackers!

Or, when you hear “They ain’t gonna get my guns!”, ask that person how he or she is going to stop them. Don’t let this kind of chest puffing go unquestioned. Ask the arm chair warrior what he or she is doing now, today, to PREVENT that horror. If the question makes them uncomfortable it should! It won’t be Chuck Norris, Sly Stallone or Arnold coming through with minor flesh wounds, friends. A Second American Civil War will not be played out on a Hollywood set. You won’t be able to get up and leave the theater.

We need to prevent that war before it happens. How can we best do so? By preserving our right to keep and bear arms. Contribute to JPFO today and help us to protect that right. So called “gun control” must be completely destroyed. We must restore the pre-1934 state of affairs to America. Join JPFO today.

Frequent JPFO contributor and strategist, Kirby Ferris collaborated intensively with Aaron Zelman over the last two years. Ferris is now the Public Affairs Director of JPFO.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloat; civilwar; constitution; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; donttreadonme; govtabuse; gun; illegal; insurrection; prepping; stockpilesong; taxes; tyranny
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To: Melas
No matter where you might stand on marijuana, I think everyone can agree there is something seriously wrong when a man in (forget the state) is facing more prison time for sharing a joint with a teenager than he would be looking at had he forcibly raped that same teenager. State legislatures are even worse than congress when it comes to special interests and cause celebres.

Hell in Texas, it's often jokingly said that you'll spend more time in jail for leaving a dog in a hot car than a child, and it's not far from the truth.


I know what you mean, it seems like sometimes our court system gets things wrong. I'm really not for legalizing pot, but I don't think anyone should have his life ruined for a few ounces of weed either. We do need to set priorities in our justice system too.
301 posted on 05/01/2011 1:20:27 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: central_va; Melas
It is amazing how fast some Freepers forget that everyone of us lives in a semi autonomous functional country(state) and the we’d hardly notice if FedGov™ disappeared. Lincoln did a hell of a job destroying the republic.

If FedGov™ collapses then the state will be the governing body. Yes there will still be socialists and conservatives but no anarchy. Your comment sound stupid, naive. Stop listening to anarchists like Melas who preach anarchy and chaos. Those types are FOS.


Well, some say that our Republic "jumped the shark" with Lincoln. I think he did a lot of damage to it during the Civil War but I don't know if it was a shark jump or not. Some say it happened earlier with President Washington going after the Whiskey Rebels here in Southwest PA. Myself, I think we jumped the shark in increments with Lincoln giving us a big shove, then Woodrow Wilson with the direct election of Senators and the income tax along with the Federal Reserve. Two other jumps were the FDR federal programs and LBJ's "Great Society."

I think where Melas is coming from and I'm not sure if I'm on target all the time is that if there is a Civil War II, it could be a bloody mess and things might not go the way we like. However, sometimes I do see things reaching a breaking point so it still can be forced on us.
302 posted on 05/01/2011 1:33:23 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; Clintonfatigued
Or have the “Red” states secede. I know it's been tried before, unsuccessfully, but maybe the second time’s the charm? Interesting that after 150 years, the “battle lines” are still pretty much the same.

Well, we could always go for best of three. B-) We won one(American Revolution), lost one (Civil War) so maybe we need a tie breaker. B-)
303 posted on 05/01/2011 1:39:13 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

All my best to you.


304 posted on 05/01/2011 1:50:30 PM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

hmmm.......and yet they fought against Joe McCarthy’s hunt for “reds” inside the govt tooth and nail...

I’d say it was true patriotic USA loving folks that said “better dead than red”...it wasnt dem’cats


305 posted on 05/01/2011 3:40:34 PM PDT by sbark
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To: skeeter

It took four postings to come up with this; agreed. The fiscal problems are what is going to pit one group against another. Wait until we have to make a choice between funding social security pensions and funding the Department of Education. Wait until we see COLA’s capped at 2%(?) while we the Department of Energy remains fully funded and the myriad of pure waste (EEOC, NEA, Peace Corps, etc.) are level funded or take only minor cuts.


306 posted on 05/01/2011 3:57:19 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: sbark

Hah, you read what you expected to see.

I said “Better RED than dead.” Which members of the left did say. The converse of what patriots said.


307 posted on 05/01/2011 4:00:15 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Nowhere Man
Go county by county and it gets much more interesting. Sadly, the divide rests largely (though not wholly) along ethnic & urban/rural lines. The parasite class in this country is growing enormously and it is endangering legitimate claims (military funding, judicial funding, debt interest, worker pensions) on the budget.
308 posted on 05/01/2011 4:02:20 PM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: GOPsterinMA

>>>Or have the “Red” states secede. I know it’s been tried before, unsuccessfully, but maybe the second time’s the charm? Interesting that after 150 years, the “battle lines” are still pretty much the same.<<<

How’s this for a scenario?

The states joined the union as part of a representative republic. What happens if there’s in-your-face proof that the representative republic no longer exists? Couldn’t the argument be made by the individual states that the union has been dissolved - not by the state seceeding, but by the federal government seceeding from the union?

The states who agreed could then meet to reform the United States as a republic with limited government, and let the other states just hang.

Stranger things have happened.


309 posted on 05/01/2011 4:48:16 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: gleneagle

I am aware that long after the war was over, some revisionist secessionists tried to claim that tariffs were a reason for the war and that Klan mythology so claims to this day.

However, they did not do so before or during the Civil War. If you read the secession resolutions, they were quite frank that slavery was the only reason.

Note that John C. Calhoun died in 1850, ten years before secession happened.

The tariff had not been raised since 1842 and had been lowered substantially in 1846 and 1857. Secession and the Confederate government happened after Lincoln had been elected in 1860 but while Democrat James Buchanan was President. Even after the 1860 election, Democrats still controlled Congress and every member of the Supreme Court was a Democrat. Hardly the Republican dictatorship of neo-Confederate myth.

The slavemasters were not at all about limited government or states rights. Quite the opposite. Human Slavery required the most brutal government to enforce it and the Confederates opposed states’ rights to prohibit slavery.

You claim that Lincoln and Congress approved the “Crittenden Compromise” amendments to write slavery into the Constitution. That is incorrect. Congress never approved any of the amendments. The President has no role in amending the Constitution, but President-elect Lincoln never approved of the amendments.


310 posted on 05/01/2011 5:48:40 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: Fred Hayek

Hope it doesn’t come to that, but the lessons of history are not very encouraging.


311 posted on 05/01/2011 6:00:37 PM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
First question: why would you want to?


War is preferable to slavery; and death to bondage... Cry Havoc!

312 posted on 05/01/2011 7:41:18 PM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Your post is exactly what I thought when I read the title of this thread....why would we want to prevent it? There are far worse things.


313 posted on 05/02/2011 4:49:59 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (We have become a culture where earning money does not entitle you to it; but wanting it does...)
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To: Melas
So far, I’ve yet to see a decent explanation of who would be the targets in this civil war that some claim that they want.

I'm all for standing a watch if/when it starts but for the most part the people who will be in my sights will be those who come to my castle looking to take my stuff or do harm to me and mine.

314 posted on 05/02/2011 4:56:07 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (We have become a culture where earning money does not entitle you to it; but wanting it does...)
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To: skeeter

Money - it’s always about the money.

That and a government and a government contractor apparatus that is out of control. The employees of both seriously need to be examined. Imho, it’s a gravy train that has attracted the basest individuals of our society - not a good thing to give these people power.


315 posted on 05/06/2011 3:58:59 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: marktwain

I mentioned this possibility to my husband and he brought up an interesting point that CWII would never happen because there are no states that are self-sufficient enough to make it without government money, and then he argued that they would have nothing to do for people on social security....my response was “You don’t like it, leave.” Anyone else have a more intelligent response I can throw at him?:)


316 posted on 06/02/2011 7:42:42 PM PDT by lrmac (I don't know how to live without my freedom.)
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