Posted on 04/29/2011 9:26:36 AM PDT by marktwain
There are three issues that could presently trigger a Civil War in America:
* Illegal aliens. A government that refuses to protect our borders, the methodical structure of citizenship, and the rule of law, will only be tolerated for so long. America is reaching a tipping point on this issue.
* Abortion. Irreconcilable differences here. This may likely become as potent an issue as slavery was in the 1860s.
* The right to keep and bear arms - see "2A Today for The USA"
No other significant present day problems could potentially result in the “brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.
Sooner or later, the massive invasion of America by illegal aliens will be confronted, if not by the rule of law then by either armed police officers and soldiers … or armed citizens. There are twenty million or more illegal aliens entrenched in this nation now. How many tens of millions more will it take to reach a tipping point? At what point will law enforcement agencies and/or the military begin to do the job they were sworn to do? At what point will citizens themselves be forced, by government inactivity, to confront this invasion by force of arms?
Will the liberal politicians actually allow this showdown? Is this actually the sort of crisis opportunism that Obama’s Rahm Immanuel, and other leftist cultural Marxists, relish?
As an American, and a gun owner, would you take to the street to confront this illegal alien invasion? Do you have a personal breaking point on this issue?
I won’t deal with abortion here, except to note that the anti-abortion forces have the same moral intensity and personal commitment that was demonstrated by the slavery abolitionists of the nineteenth century. We saw where that led in America.
However, there is a third possible cause of a Second American Civil War: infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.
This nation’s Second Amendment freedoms have too long been burdened with the lethargic, tunnel vision behavior of the gun owners known as “Elmer Fudds”, or, as Aaron Zelman used to call them “quackers”. This is the “good ole’ boy” type who simply doesn’t care about gun registrations, permits, regulations, or even confiscations, as long as he can keep his deer rifle or shotgun and exercise his “sportin’ rights”. This myopic fellow can be bought off for the price of a buck tag or duck license. Even Senator Chuck Schumer is a “Fudd”! “I ain’t gonna take your shotguns away, fellas!”
On the other side of the room from the Fudds is the “Cold Dead Fingers” crowd. A lot of tough talk over in that camp. A lot of arm chair patriotism and rhetorical heat. A lot of “let ‘em try to take my guns!” chest puffing. But somewhere at the core of this quite large group of gun owners is a determined minority that does really mean it.
I would assert that every single one of these very determined armed Americans has some idea, deep in his or her heart, as to what their personal “line in the sand” actually is. When it comes to this amorphous, mostly low profile, group, the hammer is cocked. These folks are getting to be known as the “Three Percenters”.
What the cultural Marxists, elitists, and authoritarians who advocate “gun control” (read "Know Thine Enemy") don’t seem to be able to grasp is the strange fact that a significant minority of human beings are willing to fight ferociously to preserve their freedoms. This irascible minority has yet to be awakened to action. But they’re sleeping with one eye open.
The attacks on the Second Amendment have, since 1934, been so gradual and incremental that the victim disarmament forces have prevailed to an amazing degree. They hear the loud complaints of gun owners, then make strategic “compromises” with other compromisers, and then, sure as day, there’s another gun regulation, permit process, limitation, restriction, tax burden, or license needed for each of us to exercise an unalienable right that, according to the American Bill of Rights, “shall not be infringed”.
Makes me think of the laughs I got as a kid when, in the Bugs Bunny cartoons, Elmer Fudd’s head turned into a big “SUCKER” when Bugs had tricked him once again. What also comes to mind is Charlie Brown and Lucy with her football, the football, that, to my knowledge, Charlie Brown was never able to kick. Only, unlike the comics, few of us are smiling about this. This could become deadly serious. Because the sneaking vermin cannot be allowed to win.
What must be obvious to any truly concerned American gun owner is that we absolutely must take EVERY action afforded us to prevent a Second American Civil War. This means that gun owners must become far more personally involved. Gun owners have to really grow fangs and learn to “snarl” in a societal and political sense. Wake up! You are the “gun lobby” these insidious liars and manipulators complain about! Remind them of that in every lawful way that you can.
Do you want to remain completely anonymous, but still help? A blank postal money order sent to GOA, SAF or JPFO works just fine, thanks.
We have to learn how to warn these gun prohibitionists off with unrelenting determination. When we gain a political victory or legal victory like the Heller or McDonald cases, we must be willing to dig into our own pockets and financially support those who truly won those victories, so that they may drive forward and win another, and another, with relentless momentum.
Political activism doesn’t need to cost much at all, especially in this day and age of email and unlimited phone calling plans. If you can’t afford to donate money to a Second Amendment organization, write the letters, send the emails, and make the phone calls in support of our gun rights. Talk to your gun owner friends and neighbors. Don’t let them remain Fudds or Quackers!
Or, when you hear “They ain’t gonna get my guns!”, ask that person how he or she is going to stop them. Don’t let this kind of chest puffing go unquestioned. Ask the arm chair warrior what he or she is doing now, today, to PREVENT that horror. If the question makes them uncomfortable it should! It won’t be Chuck Norris, Sly Stallone or Arnold coming through with minor flesh wounds, friends. A Second American Civil War will not be played out on a Hollywood set. You won’t be able to get up and leave the theater.
We need to prevent that war before it happens. How can we best do so? By preserving our right to keep and bear arms. Contribute to JPFO today and help us to protect that right. So called “gun control” must be completely destroyed. We must restore the pre-1934 state of affairs to America. Join JPFO today.
Frequent JPFO contributor and strategist, Kirby Ferris collaborated intensively with Aaron Zelman over the last two years. Ferris is now the Public Affairs Director of JPFO.
1st - the War of Northern Aggression was not a Civil War because the south was trying to secede from the USA and not trying to change the government of the USA, which is the requirement needed to be a “civil” war.
So, the next war will be First Civil War if patriots in all 50 states revolt. If a subset of states attempt to secede, then is will be the “War of Democrat Overreach and taxation without representation”, since the republicans obviously are not representing the will of the people either.
In many ways another conflict where the conservative states secede is preferable since I believe California and NY are lost forever and if the majority of the states secede then I don’t see how the Yankee/CA liberal bastards can do much.
We have literally generations of Gramscian rot to purge from our culture and our nation. It’s not just a political office or two that require an emetic - it’s our schools, churches, institutions of art, culture and music, media.
What do you do with kindergarten / grade school / high school teachers filling kids’ heads with collectivist mush?
What do you do with the school boards who countenance the destruction of your kids’ minds?
What do you do with the pastors dishing out ‘social justice’ nostrums from the pulpit?
What do you do with the union thugs, the Free Shit Army, the takers, the looters, the moochers?
None of us have to like the answers to those questions. But they are questions that demand an answer - one way or the other.
RE “Second American Civil War”
Actually, it would be CW Number 3, but who’s counting...and the FIRST one started in April 1775 over Gun Control too... A fact which must be driven home constantly to “those people”.
People often fail to realize that the “American Revolution” was, for all intents and purposes, the first Civil War - there were Patriot “rebels” and then there were liberals - err, Tories.. (gee that slipped out, didn’t it?) - and they often lived right next door to each other.
“...War isn’t pretty, but submission to tyranny is uglier still....”
Well-said.
Rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Don’t want it, but what we want may be made irrelevant.
No you can’t prevent a 2nd civil war. It is already in progress in a myriad of ways - http://www.newnation.org
When it gets worse expect the worst atrocities of the USA ghettos and current Mexico to be perpetrated against conservatives but especially whites (e.g. Christian/Newsom murder rape). I don’t see anything we can do beyond prepare, arm to the teeth, and educate each other on what is happening but not being reported.
I see immigration, illegal and legal, as the cause as it is obvious they seek with their policies to dispossess primarily whites and overthrow our Republic by importing votes for a global communistic system. It really is a worldwide slow state sponsored genocide against pale people who have tasted freedom and do not want to participate in their global plans.
Thats WHY!... using the term parasite is NOT hyperbole but merely calling the truth as it is.. The term should be used until it is OVERUSED.. There are parasites.. identifying them should be patriotic.. Names should be spoken.. And the parasites should be identified..
When in a hyperbolic situation ONLY hyperbole can possibly explain the situation correctly.. Anything LESS is merely dis-information.. or possible propaganda..
Also; there are many partial parasites.. like contractors that do business with federal, state and local government AND WITH the private sector.. Parasites just the same but they don't think of themselves as parasites.. THAT SHOULD STOP..
Yes, I read that in Politically Incorrect Guide to American History.
There is no such "requirement needed to be a 'civil war,' " that's plain nonsense. Narrow down the definition and then exclude the obviously qualified instance. A civil war is one in which one faction of a nation fights another in a broadly significant contest between the two forces, two cultures, two political opponents. Of course it was a civil war. Your terms are far better suited to "revolution."
As to the rest, conservatives won't secede. I won't go into it, it's too depressing to contemplate, but they just won't.
You are in Georgia I assume. Is Atlanta dominated by Dems or Repubs? How about the black voters in your state? Dem or Repub? Did Obamalamadingdong get at least 45% of the vote in Georgia? I am in NC and the major cities and their respective counties went blue as well as most of the eastern part of the state that votes democrat in national elections because their daddy and their granddaddy did. See the frustration? Instead of revolution I hope for secession.
Its the commie way, but the electorate is too historically illiterate to understand.
Of course its not their fault, its the result of 50 years of state managed education.
My list is to deport with prejudice anyone who espouses socialism, Marxism, Islam, anarchy, and hate America rhetoric and send the sonsofbitches to any socialist country that would take them and shoot on sight anyone that comes back. You do not allow cancer to stay in a body to destroy it or rotten food to remain and contaminate it’s surrounding. You cut out the cancer and throw out the food. It is just that easy. They hate us because of our love for our country so I say, let them do that 6000 miles from here. I could really care less about the consequences as long as I am free, left the he’ll alone and don’t have to listen to their vile insipid deal anymore. I’m just tired of it, from both parties who don’t give a rat’s, rearrange end about nothing but being respected and treated like royalty. Screw that. I am quite sure the founders did not mean speech that destroys the Republic but rather how the Republic is to run. All these scum sucking low lives want to do is make us as miserable and hopeless as the rest of the world. Screw that too. We are America. We are THE superpower. We fought for it, bled for it, our best have died for it and most of us have worked to make this nation the best ever conceived in the heart and mind of man. It’s just time to take out the trash, clean house, and get back to being Number 1 and being Damn proud of it.
I love that movie! Own it and have also watched it a ton of times.
My tipping point is nearing... As bad as the other issues are (and here within an hour of the border, I know), I’m just tired. Tired of the lack of values and morals, tired of working night and day, breaking my back, only to have everything stolen for redistribution.
Property taxes for illegal alien offspring, now rioting and screaming like banshees for their “rights.”
Outrageous sales taxes (9.1%) for crappy roads you need a tank to drive on, lack of parks and libraries, lack of union cops (headed by a racist Hispanic who ignores the law anyway), all the stuff the “city” and other govt supposedly takes care of.
Tired of getting a small bonus and having most of it stolen for redistribution.
And if I saw anything ever getting any better, I wouldn’t be *this* tired, but all we do is prepare for the cattle cars to Siberia (or Alaska or wherever).
I agree with you. Nothing's going to happen. Everyone submitted to red-light cameras and satellites monitoring us 24-7. Cameras peering in our homes for Google streetview. Strip searches and radiation to fly. Papers and interrogation if you drive (within 100 miles of the borders) and various other checkpoints to submit to (whether you drink or not).
Almost everyone's been perfectly trained by now to submit to "authority."
If watching the racist TSA agents mauling and molesting children, humiliating the elderly after 9/11, stepped up a few notches this last fall wasn't enough to make people wake up and speak out en masse, nothing will be.
And the few who might step up will just be Waco'd or Ruby Ridge'd, thanks to the soul-less jackboots at the ATF and some of the other Stalinist agencies.
You are incorrect that secessionists did not talk about tariffs or taxes.
I believe John C. Calhoun was among the most prominent secessionist. Here are Calhoun's words.
“The North has adopted a system of revenue and disbursements, in which an undue proportion of the burden of taxation has been imposed on the South, and an undue proportion of its proceeds appropriated to the North...The South as the great exporting portion of the Union has in reality paid vastly more than her due proportion of the revenue.”
The secessionsist book The Lost Cause: expressed indignation as follows:
“In every measure that the ingenuity of avarice could devise the North exacted from the South a tribute, which it could only pay at the expense and in the character of an inferior in the Union.”
Edmund Ruffin, a secessionist who ordered the first shot to be fired at Fort Sumpter exclaimed:
The South would be twice as rich and powerful if it were not for Northern tax policies.”
You ask what tarriffs and taxes. Most of all the tarriff of 1832, known widely in the South as the “tarriff of abomination.” And, once the Congress was controlled by the North, several other tariffs and tax schemes that favored the Nortern industrialists over the Southern agricultural and exporting economy. Such tarriffs brought in revenues of approximately $100 million of which, $90 million came from the much less populated, poorer South.
In his book For Good and Evil, the result of a 20 year study of the history of taxation, Charles Adams states:
“One of the most popular myths in American history is that the Civil War was started over slavery and that Lincoln, as the Great Emancipator, drove the nation into a bloody war to break the chains of bondage that shackled over three and a half million black Americans. This childhood history story is a fable.”
He and others have noted that prior to the Civil War, Lincoln and Congress approved for adoption, a constitutional amendment protecting slavery forever (in the South) and thus there had to be something else that caused them to fire the first shot.
I have tried to answer your questions with civility. I do not appreciate your stooping to allege I was just repeating racist slogans. Hopefully that is not your habit.
Yes you are pretty well screwed in NC. Asheville libs run the state. My sister and brother in law used to live near Waynesville. My condolences. In GA we have almost a Republican supermajority in both state houses and a Republican Governor. Its mostly all good.
The bad part is that Gwinnett County GA where we currently live is the number one destination for all Mexican illegals coming across the border. We are crawling with them. We have the gang bangers with the drugs etc and crime is way up. The legislature just passed an AZ style immigration bill that will hopefully get rid of a lot of them. Plus there is very little work at present. A lot of self deportation going on.
The Metro Atlanta area is going to be uninhabitable when the collapse comes so it doesn’t really matter what county you are in. The large population of inner city unprepareds will be descending on the burbs. If you live in the burbs you will just have a dangerous miserable existence. We are several months out from re-locating to the N GA mountains. There is only one demographic up there and everybody sticks together. We plan to ride out the collapse on about 5 defendable acres with at least one year of food, some chickens and an alternative energy source. Either solar or micro hydro. We realized a long time ago that we are not pioneer stock so we are setting up to live off the grid in a similar fashion to the way we live now. Just more simply.
I think we have to support the Bill of Rights as a whole. If we allow the government to ignore First or Fourth or Seventh Amendment rights in the name of the War on Terror or some other “good” cause, then we have established the precedent that the Bill of Rights can be ignored from time to time when it is in the “national interest.” This makes it that much easier to justify ignoring the protections of the Second Amendment as well.
In my opinion the civil war has already begun. It’s the shooting that hasn’t started. 911 was a temporary respite. We are a nation divided when we have groups that vote 80-90% consistently for one side only. We have been divided on purpose by a massive “progressive” conspiracy and infiltration of every institution in this land. We ignored it at our peril and only a massive purge will correct that problem if we are to save ourselves.
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