Posted on 03/22/2010 6:49:38 PM PDT by Irisshlass
38 States have legislation drawn up, a couple States have already passed it to block the forced healthcare upon their states. It takes 38 states to pass a Constitutional Ammendment. And it seems that this is the key to stop these socialist communists from taking over our country once and for all.
I don’t want a Constitution Convention.
Knowing these fools around today, we’d be lucky if they went back to the Magna Carta.
It’s embarassing how you can’t see the ignorance in your posts.
38 states did not elect Obama!!!!
Got it? Is it penetrating??? It can’t be made more simple than that.
38 STATES!
It’s a completely different process.
Knowing these fools around today, we’d be lucky if they went back to the Magna Carta.
Those aren't the only fools around (the ones you're talking about)... there are a bunch of fools on this thread who think that a Constitutional Convention is just "hunky-dory" -- with merely a few words from them -- that they type on some computer terminal -- as if those words are going to make a bit of difference to those who are itching to make some grand changes to the Constitution (if the opportunity ever comes up for them to do it).
I prefer to keep the fools (of both kinds here) out of the Constitution, if you please... :-)
It’s embarassing how you can’t see the ignorance in your posts.
I quit being embarrassed for you, a long while back... :-)
I agree.
If it ain’t broke, don’t “fix it”.
And it ain’t broke!
You ask, how will 30 some states get into agreement? without a free for all?
The answer is simple, look what took place today. We have 30+ States filing against the Feds all in agreement that the health care bill must go. Tough some of the states are arguing why it must go from varying legal standpoints the final resolution to all is the same - rid ourselves of this overboard, unconstitutional bill.
They managed to do this all without a “free for all”. Now, if the States can be depended on to do this, do you really think that they will accept some ridiculous Amendment being proposed and accepted by 3/4 of the States?
Please go up thread and read this in its entirety, especially the information on the 1992 Congressional law codifying the process for Proposing an Amendment.
I’ll take the words of the Constitution and a Congressional Act codifying the procedure ruling out the possibilities you’ve thrown out on this thread against the letter of a former Justice (who made some horrible decisions) to a RINO talking-head any day.
Oh it’s broke~!!!!!!
We’ve got to get rid of the 16th ad 17th Amendment if nothing else.
I don’t think any would argue that the Bill of Rights would be removed (ok, some idiot anti-NRA goon would say get rid of the 2nd but is 3/4 of the States going to pass that?) fact is Amendments made after the BOR have allowed our rights to be stripped every single time Congress convenes.
I see nothing wrong with using the very Constitution the Framers wrote for us to protect States rights and our rights against a Federal Government that has grown tyrannical and completely out of control.
Seriously Pat, read back on this thread about the process - I’ve learned a great deal and had some beliefs from what I had always heard about a “Constitutional Convention” completely removed now by opinion but by facts presented. A big one that has been removed is the false premise that the States proposing Amendments would somehow allow all these Amendments to be introduced and ratified - with basically no controls.
Not so at all.
In fact, in order to even call for the Convention, Congress must have received from 2/3 of the States the proposed Amendments to be discussed, it’s limited to that specifically.
And if anyone thinks that there is a problem and there needs to be an amendment... there happens to be a perfect way to do it, which has worked just fine for 17 Amendments, from 1795 to 1992, the 11th through the 27th Amendments.
I'll consider any Amendment to the Constitution that is put up that way, and as has been done continuously from 1795 to the present (as of 1992).
I don't go looking for solutions where none are needed and especially when we have a solution that works just fine.
So you trust the current House and Senate that tomorrow could amend the Constitution against the will of the States and the people but you do not trust the States to do the same?
I guess the Atty. Generals who have or will file against health care should just stand down then. After all, we can rely on Congress to do everything right for us.
Sorry, not willing to take the risk to fix a couple things.
Once that door is open, anything can happen and will.
Mr. Levin agrees with me, so I am quite comfortable with where i stand on this.
So you trust the current House and Senate that tomorrow could amend the Constitution against the will of the States and the people but you do not trust the States to do the same?
I trust the process that has worked from 1795 to the present, without fail -- as compared to -- an unknown process that has never worked once (since it's never been done)..., and that process in which the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States has reservations as to whether it can be limited ... doncha know... :-)
I guess the Atty. Generals who have or will file against health care should just stand down then. After all, we can rely on Congress to do everything right for us.
Those Attorney Generals can use a process that has been used over and over again, and take a case to the Supreme Court and have them rule on the Constitutionality of a piece of legislation. There's no problem in that, as that's a very well used and known process and presents no problems.
Did you catch Levin today? He specifically said if the Courts do not strike down Health Care or if we do not remove Dems from office and put into place Pubs that will repeal it it will be UP TO THE STATES (doing best Great One voice) to amend the Constitution.
He said this in hour two, after the 2nd or 3rd commercial break.
Now, I love Mark but I do not believe we will ever get rid of enough Dems and RINO’s to rid ourselves completely of health care. I did watch today as over 30 of the States came together for the common goal of ridding the citizens of a unconstitutional “law”. No different then what we are discussing here, right now.
I did watch today as over 30 of the States came together for the common goal of ridding the citizens of a unconstitutional “law”.
The process is pretty simple, given the understanding that a law is "Unconstitutional".
You bring a case before the Supreme Court, they issue the ruling that it's Unconstitutional and that's the end of it... "game over" (in regards to that law).
I don't know why people are getting so upset, when they say that it's "Unconstitutional" -- given that this is precisely what the Supreme Court does (issue rulings when something is "uconstitutional" and therefore, the law is not in effect any more) ... :-)
There's no need for even the normal process of a "Constitutional Amendment"... when you've got the Supreme Court who does these things.
That's why we've got three branches of government.
Fine, but he is against a constitutional convention. He has said it multiple times.
And has been his most wonderfully condescending about it.
I disagree with you.
Worked well for us? Worked well, you’ve got to be kidding me.
The 16th Amendment meant originally to tax only the 1% of the very rich of the country at 2% has now extended to literally taxing the very air we breath if Grahamhole etc gets his way. Repeal? We can’t get Congress to make tax cuts permanent!
The 17th has led to Senators who literally voted in lock step to bankrupt their OWN States and put the citizens of their States out of work by passing what they know is an unconstitutional bill.
The first time Americans realized they had amended the Constitution wrongly was the 18th and they were able to correct that mistake using the voting booth.
It took 13 years and the development of organized crime in this country but we got rid of the prohibition on alcohol.
The 21St didn’t get rid of the over reaching powers the Feds took upon themselves to enforce prohibition. It didn’t rid us of the Commerce Clause being used to regulate everything and anything the Fed’s decide must be regulated.
I believe the people of the States will vote in their best interests while those in DC have proven over and over to only vote in their best interest. We can not leave it up to Congress to reign in their own power. We have a Court that can’t be depended on either (Kelo ring a bell?)
If we do not do it ourselves, we are going to be led further and further down the path until we are under complete and total dictatorial rule.
So you think amendment ratification process is similar to the presidential election process?
This from the Court that gave us Roe and Kelo? Kelo came 2 States away from Presentments until the States enacted into their own Constitutions that THEY would not seize private propoerty for corporate interests. The Feds still can under Kelo.
We’ve been asking for Constitutional protections for the unborn since 1972 based on the 14th - we still do not have that.
It’s ridiculous to say the “process” works when there is case after case to show it does not.
The Framers handed us the Constitution with everything we need to protect ourselves from an out of control federal government and people are afraid to use it.
Too bad the Framers had more confidence in Americans 260+ years ago then Americans do today.
Too bad the Framers had more confidence in Americans 260+ years ago then Americans do today.
I think this brings us right back to the point of what I was saying about "those Americans" -- "Obama got elected."
I hope you see what I mean now, about "those Americans"...
[ ... if they can't figure out the problems with Obama, I don't think I want them as delegates to a "Constitutional Convention" doncha know... LOL ...]
So you think amendment ratification process is similar to the presidential election process?
No..., I think the same Americans who elected Obama are involved... :-)
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