Posted on 02/05/2010 8:35:06 AM PST by whatisthetruth
Please join Phil Berg, Jeff Kuhner and others at 12pm Eastern to hear updates and events surrounding the Constitutional issues regarding Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack H. Obama serving as the President of the United States.
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We’re such loons that Jeff Kuhner changed his mind about “birthers” as a result of hearing more information - and says he wants to check this issue out more.
We’re such loons that the issue is growing stronger all the time, rather than fading away even though we have all the mainstream media against us.
The dam is about to burst.
Jerome Corsi was also interviewed (he was in Italy researching the Shroud of Turin) but had no new bombshells as well.
What was quite dramatic, if not new, was a call in by the former Marine who retold the story (which was here last year on FR) of his meeting of (whom he presumes to have been) young Obama in 1980 in Honolulu and his conversation with him at that time. The critical part was that Obama, when the Marine mentioned that he had been stationed at Mombasa, Kenya, responded with, "Oh, I was born there." Apparently, the now former Marine had a specific memory of that because he searched for photos of Mombasa to give to Obama (as a gesture of friendship) when he returned to his base, but couldn't find any that were available.
Another caller claimed he saw only about a month ago the now famous clip of the 2004 Obama-Keyes Illinois Senate debate where Obama responded to a question about his citizenship by saying something to the effect that natural born citizenship was not required for a senator, only for the POTUS - hinting that he was not a natural born citizen and didn't have to be. The caller stated that the debate clip has since vanished from the Internet.
Meanwhile, Jeff Kuhner, the talk show host (who calls himself "The Last Honest Man in Washington"), ended by saying that "Birthers" should not let themselves be defined as such by their opponents, but rather should refer to themselves as "patriots" or "constitutionalists."
To convict him of a crime the original birth certificate would be used as evidence. When that happens it will be found that there is no prima facie evidence of a Hawaii birth for Obama. That proof can be used in the Quo Warranto case proving that Obama was never eligible to be president - which means that he never WAS president.
To get rid of Obama’s presidency the court has to be involved. You’re right about that. But it would be a criminal court which would reveal the proof that the civil court needs to rule him to not be the president.
For me, the biggest thing I want to see isn’t with Obama, though. It’s the ability of the people to force law enforcement to do its job and government to obey the laws. That’s what I’m in this for. We can (hopefully) survive an Obama presidency - especially if he is weakened politically. But we can’t survive the inability to make the laws stick. That is the critical issue in America today.
I’d say to Mr. Kuhner not to let Berg define the ‘birthers.’ If he doesn’t believe the paternal conferring of British citizenship at Obama’s birth is not important to the issue, he is not a good spokesman.
What was quite dramatic, if not new, was a call in by the former Marine who retold the story (which was here last year on FR) of his meeting of (whom he presumes to have been) young Obama in 1980 in Honolulu and his conversation with him at that time. The critical part was that Obama, when the Marine mentioned that he had been stationed at Mombasa, Kenya, responded with, "Oh, I was born there." Apparently, the now former Marine had a specific memory of that because he searched for photos of Mombasa to give to Obama (as a gesture of friendship) when he returned to his base, but couldn't find any that were available.
Another caller claimed he saw only about a month ago the now famous clip of the 2004 Obama-Keyes Illinois Senate debate where Obama responded to a question about his citizenship by saying something to the effect that natural born citizenship was not required for a senator, only for the POTUS - hinting that he was not a natural born citizen and didn't have to be. The caller stated that the debate clip has since vanished from the Internet.
Meanwhile, Jeff Kuhner, the talk show host (who calls himself "The Last Honest Man in Washington"), ended by saying that "Birthers" should not let themselves be defined as such by their opponents, but rather should refer to themselves as "patriots" or "constitutionalists."
Please does anyone know where we can klisten to the full show? I missed it..
Thank you :-)
I wouldn’t call myself an “anti-birther”. I won’t defend Obama at all — he is suspicious and probably hiding something — I will simply state that there are better avenues of attack than one that isn’t making any headway.
SnakeDoc
Apparently it's the opposite.
For Obama's sake, I hope that the hospital name is that of Kapiolani Hospital, the name of the hospital where Obama claims as his birth hospital.
BO's/BS's BC is below but it's not from Hawaii. It from Mombassa, Kenya. The affadavit above the BC it from Luicas Smith who under penalty of perjury states the Kenyan BC is legitimate.
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Thanks for the info. But please understand that I have seen most of the so-called Obama birth certificates that have been displayed on the internet over the past months.
That is, since the 2008 presidential campaign, I have been a highly visible poster on the internet when it comes to calling for Obama to show us his 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate.
Still, thanks again for the information.
Yes, I heard Maltzberg say that on Kuhner's show today. My guess is that the Foxie brass is putting pressure on Hannity not to let Maltzberg on his show because they are fearful that Maltzberg is a "birther" and too much of a "loose cannon." Every talk show host and programming staffer on FOX has been told, from what I hear, not to question O's constitutional qualifications on the air and so they are choosing their guests accordingly. It all boils down to the simple fact that FOXie honcho Rupert Murdoch doesn't want to irritate O's FCC, who have control over the broadcasting licenses for Murdoch's many television outlets.
I went to the station site, also to the Kuhner blog, and couldn’t find anything to indicate they are set up for archives; however, someone could have recorded this show and will post it later on youtube.
The station itself was some years ago a conservative talk radio show, then for several years all sports talk. It’s gone back to conservative talk format recently. Its website isn’t yet in gear.
If I DO see a recording, will let you know.
And that, right there, is a glaring example of why we need to find a way to hold government accountable to the rule of law. If the FCC can be henchmen for Obama (or whoever is president), then what executive agency couldn’t be used as a weapon against the citizenry? We HAVE to get a handle on this.
Every time something is screwy with my computer I realize that we have no controls over what the “communications czar” can or can’t do with my computer or my access to websites. There’s no inspector general. And even if there was, we’ve seen what Obama does with inspectors general...
We HAVE to shine a spotlight on what’s been going on - the criminal endeavors this administration has been doing and how even the so-called conservative media has totally sucked up to Obama on this one issue.
This was new to me! (I'm not sure you got the end of the story correct here.)
I would appreciate (a) link(s) to previous FR discussion about this.
Separately I have inquired of someone else I know who was part of the Iran Hostage Rescue mission (which the caller said he was part of) to see what he knows about this.
ML/NJ
BS.
It has to do with the smallness of Hannity.
Fox could easily tell Malzberg that they do not want him to touch, in any way, upon the birth certificate issue, and that if someone else brings it up he should just ignore it. The guy is a professional. (Even an amateur like me has been told not to talk about Vince Foster on a very famous radio show, and I knew to comply or never be heard again.)
ML/NJ
Don't know if there will be a podcast of the show, but if I find one circulating in the Birther online network, I'll ping you, however, the show was pretty pro-birther in content, no cons. It had 4 guests Phil Berg, Bob Unruh, Jerome Corsi, Steve Malzberg, all with pro-birther leanings. Nothing was mentioned concerning any Court cases on the issue if any are still out there.
Kuhner didn't try to refute any of their assertions just said they had no proof to back up their claims. He also said he had a hard job finding anyone to come on the show to discuss the issue. If you're like me and haven't been following the issue that closely, this did little to help clarify what this issue is all about but it did help to give me a headache trying to understand it all.
BTTT
A letter I sent to the Program Director:
Dear sir,
I did not have a chance to catch your program today on the issue of Barack Obama’s eligibility for POTUS. Much to my regret! I am very interested in hearing what the program had to say.
I can sum up his eligibility very simply.
A Natural Born Citizen is one who is born with one, and only one possible citizenship. If you are speaking of American, then that child must be born with two parents who are citizens, and be born on the soil of that Nation. Same for French, Italian, Indonesian, or any other Nationality. If one parent is a citizen of another Nation, that child also has that citizenship at birth, meaning that child is a citizen of two nations. If a child is born to two Mexican Nationals in Bozeman Montana, that child lays claim to American citizenship because he was born here, but he is also Mexican because of his parents. He isn’t a Natural Born Citizen however. It is just that simple.
The Founders used Emmerich Vattel’s “Law of Nations” (written in the 1750’s) extensively (as is proven in the Benjamin Franklin letters)in the process of writing the constitution and framing what would be our form of Government. They made this specific Natural Born Citizen distinction because of a matter of National Security. It was and still is the best baseline, carte blanche means of determining a person’s loyalties, something they needed to do, and did indeed take into account. They did not want a person with loyalties or ties to another Nation in the position of Commander in Chief of the Armies (see the Federalist Papers #68 by Hamilton).
In the 1700’s there were men of all nationalities all over the world, fighting this or that war, and people do what people naturally do, make children. All nations had to know whether a given child had the right to claim citizenship and under what circumstances in order to reap the benefits of being a citizen. Then, just as today, being a person without a State is a tremendously difficult thing. Imagine trying to travel anywhere without being the citizen of some nation! That being said, it wasn’t a perfect system, but it was and still is the best they could do. A child could be born here to two American parents who then moved to say Italy. They live there for 14 years and then return to the USA, will that child, raised his whole life in Italy have more loyalty to Italy or the United States? It isn’t a perfect system, but they could draw the line and say that a child had to at the least, solely and singularly hold only the citizenship of the United States and be born here in order to be eligible for the President of the United States. It was the best that could be done as far as attempting to determine where a person’s loyalties lay.
Barack Obama is the son of an American woman, and a British Man. At birth he held TWO citizenships, that of Britain and the United States. He is not a Natural Born Citizen. He did not hold only one citizenship at the moment of his birth, the instant a person’s citizenships are originally determined. He is an Usurper to the office which he occupies. Either the Constitution matters and must be followed, or it doesn’t and we have the thinnest veneer of legality to the entire Federal Government as long as the Usurper remains illegally in office. It is a Constitutional Crisis.
Where the man was born is completely irrelevant. His Birth Certificate is irrelevant. No matter where he was born, he would have been born both British and American, and for that reason is not, and never could be a Natural Born Citizen.
I thank you for your time, and I appreciate you and your station for taking up what is indeed the greatest threat to America since the Civil war. An Unconstitutional President is not bound by the constitution, he has already broken it. A congress with an Unconstitutional President, having certified him, is breaking the constitution and is not bound by it. If you wonder why congress has the gall to propose and pass unconstitutional legislation like Obamacare and Cap and Tax, look no further than the fact that we do not have a constitutional Government bound by the Constitution. They can and ARE doing anything they want to.
This is a truly grave issue.
Thank you sincerely,
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One issue: Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro aka Barry Dunham has spent in excess of a million dollars to prevent the release of his birth records from the state of Hawaii. These birth records show his birth parents and what hospital he was born in. There is a 99.9% certainty that there is something damning on those records. Berg believes it will show Barack as born in Kenya though the birth registered in Hawaii.
Thank you EDINVA :-)
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