Posted on 12/19/2009 11:28:56 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Let's face it FRiends, if the unconstitutional healthcare bill passes, the socialist coup d'etat will have advanced well beyond the point of no return!
There is nothing in the constitution that authorizes this illegal federal power-grab and plenty that forbids it. If the Obama/Reid/Pelosi Marxist attempted coup pulls this off without the people resisting to the hilt, then they'll have no restrictions whatsoever on implementing the rest of their Liberty killing Marxist agenda. America will be no more.
The whole idea of our constitution is to severely restrict the federal government to only its dozen and a half expressly listed enumerated powers and to guarantee and protect our unalienable individual rights as well as our sovereign states rights and republican form of government.
The constitution has not failed, the people have. When the government will not willingly restrain itself within its legal bounds, then its the duty of the people to enforce the constitution and restrain the government.
The constitution does not define our rights, it defines the limits on government. Our rights are granted by God not government, and government cannot take them away. Our government was established by and for us and was granted by us certain limited powers and only those limited powers. Our government serves at our pleasure to defend our nation and our rights. It does not RULE over us.
Obama is not a dictator. Reid, Pelosi, et al, are not our rulers. When they overstep their bounds to the degree they have, then they MUST be brought back down to reality.
It's time to jerk their constitutional chains taut!
It's time for US to enforce our Constitution and invoke our Bill of Rights!!
It's time to assemble for duty, for Liberty!!
I so agree. I know a man who because someone had it in for him was destroyed by the IRS. He stood and fought the battle for more than 30 years practically by himself; but he finally won.
Seriously, he was literally destroyed because one person didn’t like him.
It appears that they surgically removed his common sense and replaced it with a mono-synaptic TelePrompter.
hocndoc,
I like the idea.
But let THEM start it. If we can starve the beast enough, it's followers will also have to go hungry. They're not going to like the idea of their social programs (free handouts) being reduced to nothing.
"We can live without their money, but they can't live without ours." Our cooperation (voluntary slavery) is absolutely necessary for THEM to survive.
And you are right, they do need our money. It is the only real power that the hard working conservative base has to use against them.
Of course to be successful millions of us will need to participate. Enough to send the DJIA to 5,000 and shrink the tax paying base by 30%. Any extra funds should be used to make yourself more independent of the system and to work to elect strong conservative candidates. But we can not rely on politicians. DC corrupts. Power corrupts. Even a saint going to DC will be turned to a whore over time.
I made a statement on another thread that says what you are saying almost to the word. What I said was that I knew when Clinton was re -elected for the SECOND time, this country had a serious problem and the takers were outvoting the producers. The election of the communist Obama proved that beyond any doubt. There are 2 ways to stop it. Stop producing. I personally have already taken that step, I am self employed, and this past year I have only worked enough to get by. The second way is revolution, or civil war, call it what you will. The first way could lead to the second, as when people stop producing, those that are now in power will try to force that, as well.
I respect the good nature and intent of those who think this situation can be resolved peacefully but it is not going to happen, IMHO.
yap Chihuahua
“It is curious that people are screaming about revolution when most people don’t take the most basic steps to take part in the system.”
The best way to change our course is to elect principaled people with the wisdom and courage to restore our govenment to it’s intended function. That means that such people have to envolve themselves in the process of government and the citizenry has to support them and get them elected. If we can’t do this then any other course of action will result in dismal failure.
I think restoring our electorial system (it has become corrupted) should be one of our top priorities. For those who are itching for a fracas I think you can find one here (many groups attempting to corrupt the election process are prone to vilience) and the authories (at times) are reluctent to interviene, or acutually support them....we should prepare ourselves to deal with both situations.
Nonvilence is an effective tool when it appeals to the humanity of the oppressor, or a party who can intervene on one’s behalf (India & Civil Rights Movement) but is NOT effective when those elements are not present (Tiananmen Square)... any tactics must be devised with that in mind.
It is easier to yap like a Chihuahua than it is to consider weighty issues, determine a course of action, and then carry it out.
Absolutely. But it doesn't hurt to egg them on a bit.
Realistically, we productive citizens have to do everything within our means to starve the beast. Minimize what the government can steal, and take maximum advantage of all the "free" handouts that we can get from the government. They will undoubtedly be aweful angry when the tax slaves (that's us) stop producing, and I'm certain that they will start with their violence at that time.
Maybe Operation Thrift can be added onto the Tea Party movement. The Tea Party is about oppressive government, and Operation Thrift fits right into what it's designed to accomplish.
And we could shut down the govt by just refusing to fund it with our tax loot.
Today, most all Americans are completely dependent on supermarkets and utilities for food, heat, water and electricity. Government controls these things.
Yes, everyone has to choose, dependency or liberty. It's gotten to the stage where you're all in one and all out the other. And most will choose dependency. But if those who choose liberty do not subsidize the tyra-nanny state, nobody will have the option to depend on the govt for very long.
LOL,,,I guess it could be anything at this point,,,
Maybe one of our FR-Doc’s will see this and tell us what it is,,,
Sure looks like he’s had his head cut open,,,
Might be why all his records are sealed...
Yep, that is where we are. I’m in.
It is against conservative principles to take advantage of “free” handouts.
If the government is giving you another person’s money, then they control you.
There is always work even if it is doing the jobs that the illegal aliens do now.
Amen. Too many in this country have rebelled against the words of our founders. They just need to repent and return to those words upon which our liberties and securities were founded.
Instead of peaceful middle-Americans carrying signs, we need to shut the place down.
Thousands of vehicles drive to key locations (major intersections, highways etc., and "run out of gas." Not sure about the laws in DC on carrying REAL torches and pitchforks, but if legal, thousands of pedestrians carrying actual torches and pitch forks.
Forget about permits, bandshells, porta potties etc.
SHUT THE F****** PLACE DOWN.
As far as the politicians go, the letters, faxes and emails are falling on deaf ears. We need to put real-world fear into their lives.
Great commentary by the Founder of FR.
You hit the nail on the head, WombToTomb.
In my opinion, the day of a march on DC is over with for a while. Let's face reality. Who can afford the trip there and back, the hotels, the food.....Who has the time to get away, it's not the easiest thing in the world. Winter weather is not conducive to attracting marchers (Valley Forge types or not) to a distant national capitol.
Storming state capitol bastilles and bastards makes much more sense.......and storminge local congressional offices makes even more sense.
After being the target of literally thousands of marches of every kind in DC, does anyone think another Tea Party march will have any impact whatsoever on the current political whores now ensconced in national office in the capitol?
THEY DON'T CARE what we think or if we're out there holding signs in a blizzard.
On a state level, marches will get more notice by other state citizens as well as local media and TV.
The guy was absolutely correct who first stated "All politics is local".
Marching in DC has lost its impact and effectiveness. We have to re-figure strategeries.
Leni
The reason a lot of intelligent people have stopped posting at FR is due to comments such as yours. I mean, what's the point of carrying on a conversation if the other person(s) don't have even a basic understanding of the fundamentals at play?
First of all, you need to accept the fact that the People fully embraced Obama; they wanted him and they got him. He himself is a clueless clown - it's the force of his backer's power that is implementing the current agenda. Claiming his election was the result of the system being 'compromised' is just another form of denial.
Now, as to your quoted text above: "they" have no power. The power of the state is completely & utterly dependent on its financial ability to pay (off) various enablers, mechanics and other players who profit from the state's monopolistic power over law & levies.
Take away and/or erode its ability to support its currency and trade via taxation & debt , and the whole charade falls away no different from the the little man behind the curtain in Oz. Know this: the system is going to fail. It's simple mathematics. Here's a nice little excerpt from the Automatic Earth: (Note: People should take notice when hard left libs recognize the same underlying dynamics as free market conservatives.)
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Our economies have hit the big fearsome brick wall of diminishing returns. Today we have a situation where for every dollar that an individual or a company borrows, the system gets out maybe 10 cents or less of growth. In the 1950's, it is estimated that every dollar borrowed would generate 3 dollars of growth. That's a large part of the reason why all those trillions in bailouts, guarantees, subsidies, loans etc are having such negligible impact.
So we have trillions of borrowing and record spending to get a few paltry billions in 'growth'.
A debt saturated society is thus faced with two conundrums as time progresses.
1) The ability to service the debt plus interest declines steadily over time leading to cash flow problems.
2) The usefulness of that extra dollar of debt also steadily declines. Thus we are moving towards a point where for every dollar borrowed we have a contraction (I was going to use that ghastly word 'negative growth' but decided against it) due to debt saturation.
Hence, the marginal cost of taking on one more dollar of debt will become detrimental to society as a whole, as the marginal benefit of that one more dollar is negative. This is precisely how societies decline and as in our present debt based monetary system, the principal must be paid with interest by society as a whole in one form or the other.
This is either done through:
1) A deflationary depression where debt is defaulted upon and living standards plummet and millions are left broke and homeless - a societal disaster.
2) A hyperinflation that leads to the complete debasement of the currency and the utter failure of the monetary system - a societal disaster.
Some deflationistas focus on the mechanics that will make deflation the driving force initially and for the foreseeable future - constrained lending by banks, hoarding of cash, the inability of the Fed to keep pace with credit destruction and the unwillingness of foreigners to finance government deficits indefinitely as their balance sheets are constrained by declining export income (we're looking at China and Japan, the Gulf). When, but only when, an economy has become isolated enough can hyperinflation take place, and as a reaction to deflation. The American economy knows no such isolation, and can therefore not be hyperinflated at the moment. In five years, yes, but the world will be a whole different place by then.
By the way, actually paying back the debt is impossible in a system that requires constant debt creation just to keep even, remember the Red Queen in Alice of Wonderland? One has to run faster just to keep up.
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Forget politics - iron fist economic laws are going to do our heavy lifting. When the Fed's federal reserve notes (our current currency) collapses, the individual states will begin to issue their own intra-state script (like Calif IOUs). This is the beginning of de-federalization - this is how the union is going to come apart.
Would you rather the tax dollars stolen from you go to someone else? Look, it's time to realize that this is a war, not a disagreement. These liberals are enslaving us. They are the enemy of a free nation. If you ever want to see a free country again, you have to be willing to do what is necessary to win this. Every dollar that you get, whether by reducing taxable earnings or by taking advantage of a government handout, is one less dollar that will be spent to feed the enemy and his cause.
It's against my principals and morals to shoot and kill other people. But in self defense, I will do so if necessary.
There is always work even if it is doing the jobs that the illegal aliens do now.
I'm not advocating not working. I'm advocating working only enough to get by so as to minimize taxable income. I'm advocating taking advantage of the idiotic giveaways that our socialist government has made available. If you can get a federal grant for watching the mating habits of the common squirrel, then by all means take the grant, set on the deck, and watch the squirrels do their seductive dance.
The ship is going down. Stop baling water and grab a lifeboat before they get it.
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