UNREAL. Obama May Allow US Soldiers to be Tried in the Hague

Gateway Pundit ^ | 11/28/09 | Gateway Pundit

[American Dream 246]

Unreal. Team Obama may allow US soldiers to be tried in the Hague for war crimes. The Wall Street Journal reported, via Jihad Watch:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed “great regret” in August that the U.S. is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court (ICC). This has fueled speculation that the Obama administration may reverse another Bush policy and sign up for what could lead to the trial of Americans for war crimes in The Hague.

The ICC’s chief prosecutor, though, has no intention of waiting for Washington to submit to the court’s authority. Luis Moreno Ocampo says he already has jurisdiction—at least with respect to Afghanistan.

Because Kabul in 2003 ratified the Rome Statute—the ICC’s founding treaty—all soldiers on Afghan territory, even those from nontreaty countries, fall under the ICC’s oversight, Mr. Ocampo told me. And the chief prosecutor says he is already conducting a “preliminary examination” into whether NATO troops, including American soldiers, fighting the Taliban may have to be put in the dock.

“We have to check if crimes against humanity, war crimes or genocide have been committed in Afghanistan,” Mr. Ocampo told me. “There are serious allegations against the Taliban and al Qaeda and serious allegations about warlords, even against some who are connected with members of the government.” Taking up his inquiry of Allied soldiers, he added, “there are different reports about problems with bombings and there are also allegations about torture.”

It was clear who the targets of these particular inquiries are but the chief prosecutor shied away from spelling it out.

Asked repeatedly whether the examination of bombings and torture allegations refers to NATO and U.S. soldiers, Mr. Ocampo finally stated that “we are investigating whoever commits war crimes, including the group you mentioned.”

[itsahoot]

“Missing me yet?” George W. Bush

You mean "Open Borders George," the one who keeps telling us Islam is a religion of peace?

Nope!

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

The ICC’s chief prosecutor, though, has no intention of waiting for Washington to submit to the court’s authority. Luis Moreno Ocampo says he already has jurisdiction—at least with respect to Afghanistan.

And you can suck my big ol' b*lls, Luis!

[itsahoot]

Are you saying you don’t have that much faith in The People?

Not one whit.

[Dewey Revoltnow]

No American general would ever hand over our boys to the UN. It’s the Teleprompter in Chief who will push this unfortunately..

Sounds like we'll be needing a military coup with this sorry assed commie being brought before a military trial, and then hung.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

But it will be the 0b0z0 Global Driver’s License, honored in all subservient UN member countries!

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

It is not marxism -- it is communism!

Same difference.

[itsahoot]

They already have.

Someone called Rush or Levin, don't remember which, last week and stated that the NCIS guys destroyed a thumb drive full of evidence, in this case.

[itsahoot]

He can’t just sign a treaty.

Not legally, but don't rule out that he wouldn't. Clinton signed onto Kyoto. In any case they can do with EO's about anything they want, because it takes an act of congress to stop them.

Stroke of the Pen, Law of the Land; Neat huh? Paul Begalia

[itsahoot]

Required to follow all legal orders.

Absolutely true, but who determines what orders are Lawful? Hmnnn?
We seem to have JAG lawyers accompanying troops on missions just for that purpose.

[itsahoot]

No, Officers in our military do not have to follow all orders.

You are absolutely correct, but show me a Career that didn't end, when an Order was questioned. Patton? MacCarthur? Billie Mitchell?

[Nowhere Man]

If that fails and one of the numerous powder kegs is sparked, CW II will start and the only way to stop it, before total devastation, would be the military. I wrote about this many times already in the past few years.

General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you?

If it happened, this is how I would run it. The Joint Chiefs would run the country pro-tem, the Chairman would be acting President, the VP slot would be the next higher up. The executive branch would be cleared out along with all of Congress. Supreme Court, I dunno, I guess I'd keep them, all of our rights under the Constitution will stand and/or be restored. I would keep this system until the 2012 elections, we can elect a new Congress and President/VP. No former executive branch holder, Senator or Congressman would be allowed to run again, this ban will be for life. There will also be investigations for any treasonous activities and for those who have no charges or judged innocent will keep their pensions.

There will be a massive education campaign on what America is about, the PC crap would stop, a lot of entitlements will stop and so on. I'd keep Social Security and Medicare for those on it but make it an option for the rest or eliminate it and make that the province of the States. The States will retain their governments as they are now, the Tenth Amendment will apply unless the Constitution overrules anything they do.

When the New Congress is seated and the new President sworn in, after that, the Joint Chiefs will return to their current role and we will go on from there like always.

[rbosque]

It’s getting worse every day my friend.

[melancholy]

Sounds like a plan!

Maybe we should learn something from Turkey. There is an army general or a military commission that will warn then remove anyone or any government and declare a new FREE election, if the Turkish Constitution is violated. Including but not limited to, removing clerics or Islamic fundamentalists interfering with or threatening the secular government.

For our peace and tranquility, this type of plague shouldn’t be allowed again, ever. We have a lot of work to do just to rid ourselves of the traitors bestowed on us by our ignorant, idiotic fellow American ACORNers.

[madison10]

What a piece of dog doo lives in the white house. Lowest of the low, treasonous jerk.

[American Dream 246]

I love your optimism...

[American Dream 246]

He can’t just sign a treaty. Congress would have to ratify it by, if I remember correctly, a 2/3 majority of the Senate. Even with the RINOs, they don’t have that, and there are enough Dems who wouldn’t go along with that to effectively deny the super-majority necessary to ratify, or even shut down debate.

I love your optimism

[Cheerio]

Agreed. This man-child currently in the WH is somehow better?

[American Dream 246]

Sounds like a plan to me too...close and delete all new useless gov offices - clean all the old one which were also useless but cost billions. Fire ALL gov workers who are not indispensable. Free all the banks and let them fail or succeed. Close ALL useless expenses until a new plan comes in. Keep the strict minimum for the safety of the country and infrastructure and let all the rest of the system move along by itself - healthcare - businesses - wall street et al. Just clean the dump and free every company. Stop printing money. Either we survive or we don’t but I am sure, if real Americans see something like that, the American spirit will come back, everybody will go back to work and fight hard to save the economy because, in that case, that’s what they will have to know: YOUR TURN TO WORK - Gov does not exist anymore to help. You are free to live or die. We did it in 1940. We still can do it!

[itsahoot]

This man-child currently in the WH is somehow better?

Didn't say that, for sure, he is absolutely far worse. The problem is we shouldn't want to go back to Egypt.

[RWGinger]

“You are absolutely correct, but show me a Career that didn’t end, when an Order was questioned”
First of all the issue wasn’t whether there could be consequences, I was merely pointing out that you saying Officers must obey the CIC unquestionably is incorrect.

Now if you want to change the issue to would there be any willing to disobey we can discuss that.

I think if you could ask any of the officers you cited all of themn would say absoutely it was worth it.
I also think we have officers in our military now that would not hesitate to question the lawfulness of any whacked order.