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Posted on 11/27/2009 9:08:57 PM PST by American Dream 246
Unreal. Team Obama may allow US soldiers to be tried in the Hague for war crimes. The Wall Street Journal reported, via Jihad Watch:
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed “great regret” in August that the U.S. is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court (ICC). This has fueled speculation that the Obama administration may reverse another Bush policy and sign up for what could lead to the trial of Americans for war crimes in The Hague.
The ICC’s chief prosecutor, though, has no intention of waiting for Washington to submit to the court’s authority. Luis Moreno Ocampo says he already has jurisdiction—at least with respect to Afghanistan.
Because Kabul in 2003 ratified the Rome Statute—the ICC’s founding treaty—all soldiers on Afghan territory, even those from nontreaty countries, fall under the ICC’s oversight, Mr. Ocampo told me. And the chief prosecutor says he is already conducting a “preliminary examination” into whether NATO troops, including American soldiers, fighting the Taliban may have to be put in the dock.
“We have to check if crimes against humanity, war crimes or genocide have been committed in Afghanistan,” Mr. Ocampo told me. “There are serious allegations against the Taliban and al Qaeda and serious allegations about warlords, even against some who are connected with members of the government.” Taking up his inquiry of Allied soldiers, he added, “there are different reports about problems with bombings and there are also allegations about torture.”
It was clear who the targets of these particular inquiries are but the chief prosecutor shied away from spelling it out.
Asked repeatedly whether the examination of bombings and torture allegations refers to NATO and U.S. soldiers, Mr. Ocampo finally stated that “we are investigating whoever commits war crimes, including the group you mentioned.”
Paging the OATHEKEEPERS ...
Understand something. All judges & lawyers belong to the same "law society." (THE BAR) They play on the same team. Their job is to make as much money for "THE CORPORATION" as possible. It has nothing to do with "JUSTICE" anymore.
The only way to overcome this is to create our own "society" & overthrow their "de facto" courts & replace them with "de jure" courts, like Rob Menard & WFS is trying to do in Canada. See "Rob's Very Cunning Plan" if you wish to "see the light."
“We give terrorists access to US courts, but send our own soldiers to kangaroo courts in Europe”
Worth repeating.
I’ve tried to wake up some friends and family members to no avail. The problem is that they choose to be uninformed. They don’t want to deal with the truth.
I get blank stares like I’m nuts. I’ve been told that they don’t want to hear about it. They can’t “deal” with it and “there’s nothing you can do about it anyway”.
I told my BIL on Thanksgiving Day that it’s a good thing our forefathers didn’t feel the same or we’d all be British now. He had no answer. This is from a guy who was in the military when he was younger. He’s never voted.
The sad fact is that there are many Americans who are spoiled and lazy. They won’t wake up until they are hit smack in the face with Marxism and it will be too late. They don’t want their lives to change so they keep their heads in the sand and are in denial.
"could lead to the trial of Americans for war crimes in The Hague"
Like all treaties and conventions of the UN that the US has not signed, the US goes to great links to comply with ICC.
Consequently, the US prosecutes members of the US military who might have remotely violated ICC.
Using examples of prosecution of US military personnel for events in Iraq, it would appear that the US prosecutes with more zeal than the ICC court would have.
If that comes to pass, then I would advise my nephews never to re-enlist (both Marines, 1st tour).
Un-American commie bastards. If they do that, it BETTER be item 1 on a post 2010 election. These enemies are going to get the fight of their life if they try this...
I heard that guy, too. He lived near the SEAL community. But from junior members will come great leaders...Washington wasn’t always a general. I will always stand with the troops.
Here’s a worst case scenario that I’ve been mulling over...and it would be the last straw/log....
SecDef Gates has stayed on for over a year past the Bush adminstration that appointed him. I have a sad but strong feeling that he will step down sometime early next year. And I also believe that the Marxist in chief would appoint John effin Kerry to take his place. Kerry’s been over to Afghanistan recently and has been throwing his voice around...anyway, I’m just sayin...but that is my worst nightmare scenario...the last straw, if you will.
Correct, the American general will prosecute "our boys" so that they won't be "handed over" to the UN.
If you look at all the US military members who were tried in court for their actions in Iraq, many were prosecuted to avoid appearances that they weren't held to the spirit of ICC.
OTOH, the Blackwater personnel, who weren't prosecuted because they weren't members of the US military and they weren't working for the US military, were(or will be) tried by the host country, Iraq.
And people here complained that Glenn Beck, when asked, advised a friend in the military not to re-up.
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It’s just a matter of time before we have a mass exodus from the military and recruitment numbers dry up. If they persist in prosecuting those SEALs for a bloody lip, the military is going to be completely demoralized. It’s going to be way worse than being on active duty during the Carter years (which I was ... )
Stuned ping!
That’s a nice icon but for the fact that I would have a tough time picking my weapon of choice. It would depend on the situation, I suppose...
Bill Ayers: "Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism"
"We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men, underground in the United States for more than four years. We are deeply affected by the historic events of our time in the struggle against U.S. imperialism. Our intention is to disrupt the empire, to incapacitate it, to put pressure on the cracks, to make it hard to carry out its bloody functioning against the people of the world, to join the world struggle, to attack from the inside."
First KSM to be tried in US courts, and now soldiers to be tried in the Hague???
When I heard the SEALs the other day were being brought up on assault charges I thought that was bad enough. I’m surprised at this point that they aren’t charging soldiers with menacing for carrying their guns!
Isn’t there anything in the soldiers’ contracts to prevent this from happening? I know they agree to be tried in military courts, but I wouldn’t think this could be allowed at all...
I do the same thing. Even though I have a son in the military, I advise anyone and everyone who asks not to enlist. Heck, part of the reason I got out of the military in 1992 was because the adulterer in chief was in the WH. No way I could serve under an “O” administration.
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