Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link

orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

[rxsid]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)

[David]

“WND obtained several samples of Kenyan birth certificates in use around Aug. 4, 1961, the date of Obama’s, showing differences from the Taitz document.”

I'm really concerned if that really says what he meant.

The 1964 Certificate is only a Certificate of certain facts in the original record. It isn't a complete copy of the record; it isn't event a certification of all the facts.

Further, certificates in 1961 would be different from certificates in 1964 by definition. In 1961, the issuing agency was a division of Coast Province of Zanzibar; in 1964, the certificate was issued by the Republic of Kenya. See for explanation BP2's excellent work above.

The quality of Joe's legal help is not very high. He really needs someone who is paying attention to these kinds of details.

[afraidfortherepublic]

That’s true now but back in the 60’s it was common to be in the hospital for up to a week for a normal delivery and healthy baby. Back them often they changed the diapers in the nursery and the mothers only had them for short visits, then they were taken back to the nursery.

That is true. It was very "avante garde" for the mother to get the baby at all. The nurses brought him/her to you for feeding and then took him away. You weren't allowed to change him, dress, etc. until it was time to go home. I was in the hospital 5 days for my first. For my second I was there for 1 1/2 days -- released by accident. The doctor was furious. I stayed about 3 days for #3 and #4.For numbers 2 through 4 I had was was called "rooming in" where I had my own mini nursery that I shared with a roommate. The babies stayed in a drawer in the wall. When I was tired I could push the drawer into the wall and the baby came out the other side in the "mini nursery". The nurses could see through the glass that the baby was no longer with me and could keep an eye on the baby. That was at Kaiser Permanente Hospital in Walnut Creek, CA and was a VERY NEW regimen.

My first was born in IL in 1960 and it was a very regimented system. The nurses had full care of the babies. I was warned that the babies were coming by an announcement over the hospital loudspeaker. "Mothers, be prepared to receive your babies!" Made me jump out of my skin.

I wasn't allowed to touch that baby except for feeding time, so I was totally unprepared when I went home. I remember standing by the bathinette and trying to read directions on how to bather the baby -- what goes first, oil or powder? Got the book all wet.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Do you have a ping list? Please add me. Thanks.

[mojitojoe]

Exactly and it doesn’t appear until days later. I smell a rat.

[Boucheau]

Then I think she needs a new hosting company, or something. That’s not good.

[Tennessee Nana]

Should he not have “several samples of Kenyan birth certificates in use around” Feb, 1964 ???

[editor-surveyor]

Yes, apparently its a lot of things.

Must still be on the market.

[RegulatorCountry]

What about before 1963 ???

Still looking, current law is much easier to dredge up than archaic law.

[afraidfortherepublic]

And that first bath is complicated by the fact that babies DON’T HOLD STILL.

[Tennessee Nana]

Yes...

Thank you...

[Tennessee Nana]

I feel like Irma in My Friend Irma...

[PA Engineer]

The "punked" image proves nothing more than how easily Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" may be forged as well.

Another reason for the Judge to order Obama to release all of his records.

[Spunky]

"And here's Ann, a lily-white 21-year-old woman from Kansas, asking for custody of a “mulatto” mixed-race baby that she claims to be hers. To put it in context: Black people only made up 0.8 percent of the Hawaiian population in 1960 and 1970. It's not racist to point this out — it's fact from the US Census and a reality of that racially-charged era — it would have been noticed." "So Judge King was likely curious, if not suspicious — most responsible judges, looking past the sobbing wife and her pin-stripped attorney, would be pondering "what's really going on here? Her husband is pursuing a doctorate in economics at Harvard, and yet she wants no child support or alimony ... hmmm."

"He's not going to deny her a divorce as she claims "grievous mental suffering." BUT how's Judge King going to award custody — off of Ann's good word? I don't think so ... he'd turn to prima facie. I can hear his words now:"

“I'm going to ask for the mother to provide a copy of the birth certificate at our next hearing in March (1964). So ordered.”

I have to completely disagree with you on this one BP2. Yes the judge would take it off of Stanley Ann's (or her lawyer's word) on the divorce papers that Barack was her child.

I personally know of a marriage and divorce where the father was from a different country. There were 3 small children involved and the mother asked for custody but she didn't ask for child support. She knew with the father back in his country it would be impossible to collect. The Judge never questioned the mother in any of the statements she put on her "do it yourself" divorce papers. No Birth Certificates, No DNA nor her Marriage Certificate was ever asked to be put into the divorce records. He took her word for everything she put in those papers. She was awarded full custody.

In fact I know of many divorces with under age children and they never ask for copies of Birth Certificates to be filed with the divorce papers.

[David]

What I am thinking is that there might exist 2 forms. One is the hospital copy with the weight and height, doctor’s name and exact time of birth. As the mother and baby are released home, they might be given the copy of the hospital record which is the proper birth certificate. At the same time, there might be another form that certifies that you were born then and there. I requested a form like this for my kids when they had to receive their passports. It’s a much shorter form, and it’s format may change. For example, if I request a copy of the BC in 1997, it might look one way. If I request a copy for the exact same child in 2007, the form might look different. So we need a comparable form from 1964. Does it make sense what I’m trying to say?

Yes and you are close. But you need to understand the procedure in order to understand the form.

The kid is delivered (in a hospital). The doc fills in a piece of paper and inks the foot and prints it; many jurisdictions including many US states, he does it twice.

Often the hospital administrator is required to sign attesting that the doc was really there and did it. He or she then sends the original to the government agency recorder; the counterpart is given to mother.

You need a certificate to deliver for some purpose? You go see the government agency. One kind of certificate is of the entire record on the piece of paper signed by the doc--from early periods (1940's), maybe even a photocopy--which has an embossed seal and a signature of the issuing clerk.

The other kind of certificate is only some official saying under oath whatever the certificate says--words to the affect that "I have examined the original record; x was born here on such and such date; delivered at so and so hospital by Doc. Bump."

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

And that first bath is complicated by the fact that babies DON’T HOLD STILL.

Slippery, as well.

[rxsid]

"Honestly, we don’t know if BO is even a citizen."

Definitely, the bottom line here. As there's zero (pun intended) public proof of place of birth.

[Salamander]

Or it’s just another false trail to throw off the hounds.

Posted ad infinitum:

Show us the ~real~ BC and we’ll all shut up.

{{{{crickets}}}}

[BP2]

Exactly and it doesn’t appear until days later. I smell a rat.

And the "punked" forgers have decided to put their "deception" out there NOW, barely 100 hours since Orly's came out ... to "release" us of our "collective psychosis" and "obsession" regarding Obama's NBC status ...

How thoughtful of them ... Yeah, I smell a rat, too. And it smells like DU and one of their forgeries.

[hoosiermama]

;~)

[Salamander]

The one with the “tear” was my crappy, hurried image editing.

[Mea culpa...mea culpa maxima]

Please disregard it.