Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
7,000
Congrats on post #7000!
It was snagged around 6 am.
Apparently someone bad snagged it much earlier.
I have *no* idea what time it first got posted on her site.
I pulled the damn contentious things.
If somebody wants them, they can mail me.
The stupid “messed up one” is already being posted on other blogs and I can’t find a way to inform the blog owners of the error.
I made 2 comments on the blog asking them to pull it [18 comments already existed] and when I went back, ALL the comments were gone but the image is still there.
WTH is up with that?
I’ve been on a number of work days, today 5AM starting shift. So I cannot wade through this huge post as it develops. But cursory viewing through the six thousand comments shows so much disparity of views and so many variant documents on this issue I am at a loss to stay current. But that is OK. At least some of you good folk are in the position to keep tabs on latest developments regarding zero’s birth status.
Well the war of 1812 is a little down the road from Blackstone, the historical common law, and even the drafting of the U S Constitution.
And the drafting of the Constitution explicitly used a term from the Law of Nations, and not the common law. Now that you know, hopefully you will stop spreading the misinformation you did above.
OK David, according to your article last July, the after 1952 birth clause in the 1986 statute, applied only to ‘honorable service’ in the military and not to the general statute. I did indeed wonder this based on the construction of the paragraphs.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2040753/posts
“I also want to note that (g) continues with the language: “Provided, That any periods of honorable service . . . “ which concludes with a separate effective date clause making the provision retroactive: [”This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date . . . . “] The retroactive date applies only to the “periods of honorable service” clause and has no application to the Obama issue.”
This is helpful to me (others?).
Then clearly, the statute that applied to Ann Dunham and BO, if born in Kenya would deny him citizen at birth status, let alone NBC status.
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“I don’t know why you think it is a small possibility that he is not a US citizen. Let’s reverse it—when and under what law did he become a US Citizen?”
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That was actually 9YearLurker’s comment. But your response has been very helpful, and combined with the link to your essay, I hope this has helped others figure out, that if BO was born in Kenya, he has little chance of being a ‘citizen at birth’ let alone a NBC as per the US Constitution.
I’m glad to see this laid out. Thank you.
Yes, I think at the very least he’s hidden enough to reveal that he’s basically a fraud and a communist. That’d have legs because he’s revealed so much already in his first 200 days.
“The whole point of the term “Natural Born Citizen” is to emphasis that the citizenship did NOT arise by way of a law or statue. Therefore, while an anchor baby may indeed be a “citizen” by virtue of being born on U.S. soil, they could not be considered a “Natural Born Citizen”, at least in the way the term was described during the time of the writing and ratifying of the Constitution. Again, otherwise the framers would have been intent to adopt Hamilton’s suggested requirement.”
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And as I’m seeing more and more clearly [http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2040753/posts] the applicable statutes don’t even grant BO ‘citizenship at birth’, let alone NBC. As David opines below, he very well may not be a citizen, as the fraud perpetrated was that he was born in HI, so why would he have naturalized?
From there, we get a non-US citizen as POTUS, if it can be proven that he was born in Kenya.
Wow. I’ve inherently known all of this, or tended to believe it based on zero’s obfuscation, but seeing it laid out is just incredibly damning.
Just a reply to let you know I saw your post. This thread has moved so fast, and grown so large, that this reply is going to land about 3,000 posts downthread.
It’s nearly impossible at this point to make a timely reply to any posts in the 4,800 range.
So, just saying’ hi!
The truth is this isn’t going anywhere. Obama isn’t going to be turned out of the White House because of a problem with his birth certificate, said problem which may or may not exist at all. 69 million votes is 69 million votes.
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I tend to agree with you. But this weakens BO, as there are all these lingering doubts as to what he’s hiding. That in and of itself is a good reason to soldier on, on this issue, to, as you say, peel away some more of those 69 million votes.
Also, it’s a foundation erosion on his more insane socialist agenda.
“a handful of comparable documents showing “Republic of Kenya” in use ten months before it became part of their constitution.”
I checked the link you provided and could not find the above sentence nor photos of such documents. Can you tell me where to find them?
By the way, love your name!
I tend to agree with you. But this weakens BO, as there are all these lingering doubts as to what he’s hiding. That in and of itself is a good reason to soldier on, on this issue, to, as you say, peel away some more of those 69 million votes....
I agree with you. But I also feel if there was validated proof of him being a non citizen and the news media finally got into a news frenzy to cover the story like they did Monica Lewinsky or Watergate, maybe just maybe enough citizens would be mad enough to march in Washington and force him to resign. Just as the Russians marched in Moscow a few years back.
I know it is a long shot. But who would have thought that people would stage tea protests and go to yell at their Congress critter over health care?
““Sir Edward F. Lavender Source(s): Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library
Sign up just to post that? It’s your only post so far after signing up today.
While interesting, it needs expansion. It’s a might on the cryptic side. “
I found this comment interesting, even if from a new user. I googled it down and it cam from a comment on TexasDarlins blog.
TD Blog post by lev8mysoul:
“I asked a british history buff I know if he could find out who the colonial registrar was for Mombasa in 1961. He called me up a few minutes ago and said “Sir Edward F. Lavender”
Source(s): Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library”
I tracked the poster back to this blog.
http://uscanblog.wordpress.com/
He/she doesn’t look like a crank. The posts on USCAN blog are very intelligent and thoughtful. Any thoughts on this of how we can confirm or refute it?
... sigh ...
I can totally understand his disappointment in his fellow Americans, for their lack of financial support. But, maybe he could have been just a bit overt about it, and made it clear to visitors that good will don't pay the bills.
He had already proven his worth to many thousands of people. All he had to do was open his mouth, and the bucks would have come rolling in, thanks attached.
JimRob is in the exact same position, but he somehow managed to avoid unreasonable pride, and let folks know that it takes financial support to keep the doors open.
“DU is hysterical about Orly being charged with perjury or fraud or misrepresentation. BS. She has not submitted this to the court as a bona fide. She has asked the court to authenticate. BIG DIFEFFERENCE. This lady seems very smart about legal rules and maneuvers.”
You know, I don’t believe how much negative publicity this lady gets even from the conservatives! This is so unfair. Maybe she hasn’t done all things as competently as someone else might have. I have no idea, this is not within my competence to judge. But to call her a nut? She doesn’t deserve it.
I was able to track down the person responsible for this post
“I asked a british history buff I know if he could find out who the colonial registrar was for Mombasa in 1961. He called me up a few minutes ago and said “Sir Edward F. Lavender Source(s): Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library”
I called them on the phone and left a message I also sent email. We will see if she responds to my inquiries.
The following is an excerpt from Leo Donofrio’s online site ‘Natural Born Citizen’. Please note in the second paragraph the Supreme Court says “...The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that...”
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Obama was a Constitutional law professor and Harvard Law graduate running for President. He was fully aware of the most on point US Supreme Court holding which discussed the meaning of “natural born citizen” – Minor v. Happersett – wherein the Supreme Court stated:
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.
In the Minor case, the person wasn’t running for President of the US so the court didn’t have to reach the nbc issue. But the court did note that the foreign nationality of a native born person’s parents could effect that native born person’s natural-born citizen status.
Furthermore, the court also stated that the definition of “natural-born citizen” was not found in the Constitution so “Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.” Why is this important?
BECAUSE SCOTUS ISSUED THE MINOR HOLDING IN 1874 WHILE THE 14TH AMENDMENT WAS ADOPTED IN 1868.
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So, the 14th Amendment has nothing to do with natural born citizenship.
The Constitutional Congress used Emmerich de Vattel’s book, The Law of Nations, as their primary source for constructing our constitution. That is the source of the ‘natural born Citizen’ definition.
Donofrio argues convincingly that SCOTUS must make a determination on this issue of natural born citizenship. I concurr.
As King of the World, does Obama really need born-in-USA status? On the occasion of their president’s 48th birthday yesterday, Americans still don’t know for certain from where he came, only where he is leading them.
There was a mammoth picture of the Birthday Boy on display outside the White House, but no pictures of him pursing his lips to blow out the candles on a birthday cake, which may have served as a reminder that this is a president already well on his way to blowing out the lights of the Free World.
Thus far the only `proof’ of Obama’s murky past comes from the romantic version of his life as spun in his book, Dreams of My Father.
Some people’s dreams are other folk’s nightmares.
Global citizens and Kings of the World find home at the United Nations, which operates as a law unto itself.
When Obama emerges to his rightful throne as King of the World, will his missing birth certificate and school records be swallowed up by UN diplomatic immunity?
The long-awaited debut of Obama at the UN is happening right on schedule. Obama will chair “a special meeting of the U.N, Security Council on nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament”. According to U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice, that meeting will take place on Sept. 24 during the annual summit of the U.N. General Assembly.
There is no doubt that the sovereignty of the US, notwithstanding, the United Nations is a law unto itself.
A pig sty of corruption, and a body that blows its time on incessant talk while people die in genocides, the UN is also the main source of this summer’s “you’re all going to die” pandemic predictions that have yet to lead to the public panic needed to invoke martial law.
Most fittingly to some, UN headquarters originated on the grounds of an abattoir where screams of animals being led to slaughter could be heard, as a “gift” from Rockefeller family money.
Diplomatic Immunity, which could only have originated at the UN, has created virtual untouchables. According to Reader’s Digest, “The UN rarely gets much done, but somehow its officials are still too busy to park legally. Between 1997 and the end of 2002, foreign diplomats racked up more than 150,000 unpaid parking tickets—totaling a staggering $17 million. But thanks to diplomatic immunity, the city has no power to collect.
Is it a foregone conclusion that the UN granted Obama the unassailable right to be a law unto himself, with or without the personal documents proving who he really is?
BHO began identifying himself as a “global citizen” even before election. Perhaps rather than coming off as grandiose, he was really telling the truth.
UN-bestowed diplomatic immunity has protected other high rollers in the now all but forgotten Oil for Food Scandal.
Some of those high rollers are now part of the Obama team of czars. Paul Volcker, charged by personal friend, former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan to investigate the scandal, only added to the level of frustration.
UN Poster Boy numero uno, Canadian Maurice Strong who accepted a $1 million cheque courtesy of oil-for-food main player Saddam Hussein (although he contends he did know at the time the money came from Hussein) went on to invest in the Chery car company, stated intention of which was to bring America’s auto industry to its knees with the likes of Obama bagman George Soros.
Soros has close ties to former UN Deputy Secretary General Baron Mark Malloch-Brown.
Is Obama thumbing his nose at Americans who want to see his birth certificate because he knows his back is covered by UN diplomatic immunity?
Is there a Grand Plan keeping the the most anti-American president ever elected in the White House?
Barack Obama is a self-admitted global citizen who can do whatever he wants to America, and just like the organization which foments for One World Government that spawned him, is really a power until himself.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13403
SEPT 24TH YIKES!!
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