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If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Prior thread ^ | July 18, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

* * R O U G H * * D R A F T * *

(continuing my remarks from prior thread)

Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.

Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.

An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.

An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.

A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.

Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.

We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:

The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.

As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:

The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.

We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.

The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.

We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.

The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.

We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.

The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).

The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.

Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.

Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.

The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.

No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.

All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.

The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.

Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.

The Federal Reserve.

Border security.

Medicare.

FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.

Federal Pensions.

Etc, etc, etc.

Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.

This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.


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To: Jim Robinson

I would like to see this happen right in the middle of the State of the Union address


501 posted on 07/19/2009 9:16:04 AM PDT by NCBraveheart (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing it's Idiot)
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To: seekthetruth
My Opinion: Fake pitchforks, yes. Fake guns of any kind, NO!

Absolutely. Waving fake pitchforks sends the message, but waving fake guns just gets folks killed.

In my opinion, this thing has to go "all in", one way or the other.

Either make it an un-armed march, and run the risk that we will not achieve our aims because we're toothless - or make it an armed march and face the sobering reality that the Tree of Liberty may well be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots on that day.

502 posted on 07/19/2009 9:20:08 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I’m with you Marlowe. I have a second amendment right to go there with a real rifle and yes we should all be willing to go to jail when we get there. We must show strength and conviction.


503 posted on 07/19/2009 9:21:43 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: glock rocks
Members of Congress should be compelled to wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers so we can identify their corporate sponsors.

Good'n!

504 posted on 07/19/2009 9:21:59 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: rvoitier; Travis McGee
He does not have a poor attitude at all...just a realistic reflection on the reality of the situation we face.

He never said he would not be involved, he never said he would not try, he never said he was not committed, he never said we should quit.

To the contrary, and for the record, I know him and he is involved, working, and committed...and has communicated to and educated literally tens (and perhaps hundreds) of thousands of people regarding the conditions of the day.

So, a little advise. It's free and you can blow it off if you want....but before you pass such judgements on, and hurl accusations at someone like Travis McGee on an open, public forum...educate yourself a little more about the man you are talking about.

If you do not, in the end, you are the one who comes off looking bad.

Sorry, Matt, could not let it stand.

505 posted on 07/19/2009 9:22:19 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jim Robinson

2 problems I see,

First, we hold new elections for the house, what says we don’t just send the same nit wits back again.

Second, An amendment requiring term limits must be enacted. Something along the lines of “ all senators and reps may serve only 2 consecutive or non-consecutive terms in their lifetime. Those currently serving will be permitted to finish their current term and then will be reqd to retire. No family member of a retired officeholder will be permitted to run for a vacated office”


506 posted on 07/19/2009 9:24:01 AM PDT by NCBraveheart (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing it's Idiot)
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To: mojitojoe
on ur utube comments, prolly just cause Google's one of those communist organizations helping to destroy the fabric of our civilization. They're already probably as invasive as the federal government...see this: Epic v. Google
507 posted on 07/19/2009 9:29:31 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Jim Robinson

All funding for the UN and UN facilities are suspended.


508 posted on 07/19/2009 9:30:03 AM PDT by JPJones (Who is Jim Thompson!)
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To: Jim Robinson
We can get millions to Washington DC, but by what particular process would the federal government charge? Short of violence - which you rightly abhor, and which would have terrible consequences for this country - I don't see what then endgame is here.

Randy Barnett has proposed that we "...petition Congress for a convention to propose amendments to the Constitution." These amendments would limit and tame the present tyrannical federal government. Here's a later revision by Barnett, in an "omnibus Federalism Amendment."

I respectfully suggest that this process - already outlined in the Constitution - is preferable to trying to use the power of the crowd to appoint Hilary Clinton as interim President of the United States.

509 posted on 07/19/2009 9:32:10 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
These same sheeple are going to surrender their guns just the way they now surrender their money.

...or move to a state where that JUST WILL NOT EVER HAPPEN!

510 posted on 07/19/2009 9:35:05 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: CRBDeuce
Thanks for your compliment.

So we now are faced with a situation wherein the self-serving, the narcissistic, the incompetent and the subversive are at the levers of government. Is the solution to this problem peaceful? Possibly it is. We find ourselves looking at the problem from the outside. We are conditioned by our past to try to work within the "system" to fix it. Some, like you, realize that it is broken beyond repair. Others, for lack of a better plan, try to work with what we have.

I believe that there is no ready to go, "off the shelf" solution. The choices we make as individuals matter. Should we go to DC and peacefully demonstrate -or at least attempt to peacefully demonstrate, or should we start a true grassroots movement that will take our beloved nation back to where we know it should be.

Personally, I believe that we are watching events unfold that will lead to direct conflict. As I previously said, each of us will have to choose sides. I hope we have the numbers, resource and will to take our country back.

511 posted on 07/19/2009 9:38:23 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Just say when.

I live close to DC and although my house is small, the wife and I could accommodate one couple if lodging becomes a problem. Two things, they must like and not be allergic to cats and not mind sleeping on a futon.

I am ready to stand in the ranks of those who are ready to peacefully affect a change in Washington and take back our representative form of government.

Count me as one of the "millions" that will be there at the ready.

512 posted on 07/19/2009 9:38:44 AM PDT by bayliving (Democrats used to be funny, now they are just plain dangerous.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I have come to this conclusion, NOT reluctantly, but realistically, lately, and think it is the ONLY way things are going to change with this Administration: LITERALLY, force them into a deep, elastic corner where they can no longer promote and promulgate infinitely destructive laws and policies which will destroy OUR generation, and several generations to come. THe time for analysis is over.
I felt this way by ‘97 in the Clinton Administration also, and there was a “gathering” rather than a March on Washington. THIS time, however , entire new strategies will be called for. THis is VERY serious business. I am VERY heartened to see Jim Robinson throw down the gauntlet.
THIS REQUIRES SERIOUS AND INTENSE DISCUSSION STARTING NOW.
It will be UNPRECEDENTED in American History.
Strategy is PARAMOUNT.
PLEASE, let’s discuss it and come to some agreed-upon parameters as to what’s possible and what’s not possible.
I have been involved in the Tea Parties in the NJ/NY area, and as far as they go, they’re good.
But bear in mind that the FIRST one on Tax Day, April 15th, got a lot of “coverage”, all of it by the MSM was ludicrous and irrelevant, and , sadly, the last one, on July 4th, got virtually NO coverage that I can recall.
The MSM is once again asleep to what’s actually going on, and only awake to the Zero Administration’s ambitions.
We will have to wake them up, and lead them, if they want
to follow.
We can do it.
Let’s get it going!!! Let’s get some momentum!!!


513 posted on 07/19/2009 9:41:17 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: snippy_about_it; Jim Robinson

“...help work out what we can say about the Supreme Court.”
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Would there be a way to create a simple provision for their removal?
How would you do it?
With vote in the house and senate, like an impeachment?


514 posted on 07/19/2009 9:41:37 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Miztiki

your liberal defeatism is showing! ex: Today ( on my TV screen anyway) Obama said: “I’m not going to sign any healthcare bill...”. Now I could have been defeatist like you, and continued to listen to this nattering-nabob-in-chief, but instead I simply hit the Remote ‘previous channel’ button, and all of the sudden I was optimistic again!


515 posted on 07/19/2009 9:44:23 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Repeal The 17th

BTT


516 posted on 07/19/2009 9:44:37 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: Flint
I would caution everyone that wants to march on Washington to visit this web site:

Thanks, Flint. Now that we've been duly threatened by what's on that site, what do you recommend our reaction should be?

Sounds to me like you want us to stay home. I'll bet you would have "cautioned" the patriots of 1776 to stay home too.

517 posted on 07/19/2009 9:46:04 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GraceG
I say we wait 1-3 years.

We can't give the current tyranny that long to consolidate and solidify its power over us.

There won't be an America to save in 1 -3 years, at the rate Zero is dismantling it.

518 posted on 07/19/2009 9:51:08 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GraceG

I think you’ve seen the future and should act on it today.
-—just made that up, and am going to use it as my tag line starting now.—


519 posted on 07/19/2009 9:51:22 AM PDT by supremedoctrine (I think we have seen the future, and should start acting on it today.)
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To: Miztiki

On reflection, I may have misread your ideology as negativism, instead of utopianism. You seem inclined to see ‘good government’ as ‘beautiful’. It’s not. Government is always ugly...always ‘the problem, not the solution’ as Reagan said. Therefore the brilliant part of the strategy must be to maintain a de minimus federal government so as not to become too big a problem...and always, always, first do no harm. We may need to swing the pendullum back to ‘too small’ with the foreknowledge that it’s likely to someday grow back to ‘too big’ no matter how hard we try to hold back the reins of a nanny state population.


520 posted on 07/19/2009 9:57:45 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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