Back Door Gun Control: Obama Backs Inter-American Arms Treaty That Has Ties To United Nations--

The Washington Post ^ | April 16, 2009 | Scott Wilson

[NorwegianViking]

MEXICO CITY, April 16 -- President Obama announced in a visit here today that he will push the U.S. Senate to ratify an inter-American arms trafficking treaty designed to curb the flow of guns and ammunition to drug cartels and other armed groups in the hemisphere. Obama made the announcement after meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderón this afternoon. The meeting is the centerpiece of Obama's first visit to Mexico, whose government is engaged in a broad war against heavily armed drug cartels threatening the integrity of the state. "The Obama administration's commitment to seek ratification [of the treaty] is important because stemming the number of illegal firearms which flow into Latin America and the Caribbean is a high priority for the region and addresses a key hemispheric concern relating to people's personal security and well-being,"

[bmwcyle]

It has to be ratified by the Senate.

[KoRn]

This doesn’t look good at all!

[nathanbedford]

Treaties need be approved only by the Senate. I have been predicting since before this election that Obama would use the treaty making power of the United States to impose legislation and even circumvent the Bill of Rights without the bother of submitting to securing the consents of the House and the Senate.

Even worse, the president can enter into executive agreements with foreign entities which do have the force of law under some circumstances. The question is whether the court will permit our Constitution to be amended by the President and the Senate without reference to the amendment process. The case law in this area is not clear and as I understand it there is no case which permits individual constitutional rights to be abridged by a treaty. I for one, however, am not comfortable leaving the fate of my right to bear arms, for example, to the hopscotch unreliability of Justice Kennedy who will decide the issue.

When the media belittles yesterdays protesters as "tea baggers" who have misconstrued the meaning of the Boston tea party because today's protesters already have " representation" one might ask, how much representation do the tea party protesters really have if Obama succeeds in circumventing the Constitution with the artifice of the treaty making power?

[PubliusMM]

Two faced, sneaky buggers, ain’t they?

We need to contact our elected federal representatives and let them know that we do not want this treaty to be approved/adopted in the US.

In fact, it would be good to add that it’s time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US...

[Vaquero]

then the constitutionally honest states must secede, in order to preserve the constitution.

[Carry_Okie]

This article explains the import of this move.

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

This is what they were doing in Europe. Using treaties to circumvent the voters.

Glenn Beck mentioned this today, he said this is the way libs operate. If they can’t get the votes, they go to the courts, if that doesn’t work they turn to foreign law and make treaties and then -- your rights are gone.

[DBrow]

btt

[Avoiding_Sulla]

Obama could rely upon a star chamber of Senators to ratify this treaty. Goodbye 2nd Amendment Rights. I KNOW there are doubters out there, so fire away.

Carryokie has raised on more than one occasion an important warning. Treaties need only 2 out of ANY 3 senators to agree with the president (no quorum necessary), and the treaty is law.

If that is not bad enough, the constitution states that treaties supersede all laws AND the constitution.

I can provide “line and verse” to anyone who wants me to prove this. It can be stopped if enough of us are aware of it. And there’s nothing in the constitution that says we MUST stick with an unpopular treaty forever when enough of us can impress our congresscritters with our dissatifaction.

[LearsFool]

The thing I hate most about liberals is their faulty logic. As an engineer and programmer, logic is king.

As it is to any rational human being.

I'm a programmer as well, and like you am constantly irritated at the left's denial of logic.

But logic plays no part in their agenda. As Lenin said, "Of all the arts, the cinema is the most important." When you can insert a thought into people's minds without them having to ponder it, you've got real power in your hands.

So it doesn't matter that the arguments (sic) presented by these snake-charmers contradict one another. The crowd sways and swoons as they're swindled without a rational thought passing through their brains.

[bamahead]

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[Blood of Tyrants]

which experts say includes language stating that it does not impinge on the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment.

They put language in there STATING that forcing more unconstitutional regulations on us doesn't infringe on the 2nd Amendment. How freaking nice. I'm all warm and fuzzy, how about you? </sarc>

[Blood of Tyrants]

Treaties only have to be approved by 2/3 of the senate.

[Texas Fossil]

He does not have the authority to go around the constitution.

If he tries by treaty and the Senate goes along, it WILL be the 2nd Shot Heard Round the World.

1/2 of the “states” in the nation will lock & load.

[TeleStraightShooter]

If that is not bad enough, the constitution states that treaties supersede all laws AND the constitution.

Could you kindly direct me to that section of our USC? I am not certain that is in Article VI.

[RetiredArmy]

The Marxist Government in Moscow on the Potomac is not going to get my guns and neither is the damned U freaking N.

[nathanbedford]

Did not the Supreme Court post-Civil War rule that secession was constitutionally impermissible?

Certainly the matter was finally adjudicated at Appomatox when my grandfather surrendered after four years and several wounds and walked home.

It is sad in a way that the ninth and 10th amendments are being ignored to death and so there is virtually no remedy for Federal usurpation because the courts have ceded the field to the Liberals and simply will not enforce the amendments. Was it Jefferson who said that the tree of liberty must be watered with revolution every generation? Revolution like secession has become virtually illegal and practically impossible in this modern age in which the federal government has a virtual monopoly on military level arms and I space-age surveillance and eavesdropping.

If we're going to preserve our liberties from the tyranny of the Manchurian Marxist, we're going to have to do it on the soap box and in the ballot box.

[nathanbedford]

See my post number 25.