Posted on 02/22/2009 5:02:19 PM PST by patriotgal1787
WASHINGTON – A U.S. senator has weighed in on the continuing controversy over Barack Obama's eligibility for office by saying he has never seen proof the new president was actually born in Hawaii.
"Well, his father was Kenyan and they said he was born in Hawaii, but I haven't seen any birth certificate," Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., told constituents in Cullman County. "You have to be born in America to be president."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
If people only knew.
” It would be so easy for Obamie to release his original BC.”
He wrote that as a teen, he “ discovered “ an article about BO Sr “ folded away “ among his old vaccination records
and “ his birth certificate.”
Page 26 Dreams from My father
Barry was snooping .
Why ? What was he looking for ?
I wonder why the grandparents tucked away these documents.
And obviously the grandparents had a long form of his birth certificate .
Where did that go ?
Michael Steele ought to be teaming up with Sen. Shelby and other interested GOP Senators and House members to get the constitutional eligibility issue some traction.
All due respect to Senator Howard, but history has proven him quite wrong!
Section One (the so-called Citizenship Clause) of the 14th Amendment, states "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Notably, the 14th Amendment does not address NBC, just citizenship ... but I've addressed this with you before ...
Furthermore, the 14th Amendment MOST CERTAINLY DID still leave room for ambiguity with respect to at least THREE significant groups.
First, were the children of immigrants who were barred from citizenship. Although touched on in Wong Kim Ark in 1898, some rights were not completely granted to this group until 1952.
Second, Native American felt should be allowed citizenship under the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof. In Elk v Wilkins, the SCOTUS felt the Indians owed alliance to their tribes and thus were NOT part of the United States. Congress however extended Native Indians birth citizenship in 1924. Subsequently, that same right has been extended to Puerto Rico, Guam and other US Territories.
A third group, Illegal Aliens, has not been decided by the SCOTUS, although it's been assumed for legal and other purposes that one need only proved birth in the US to claim citizenship based upon current immigration laws and the stance of the Executive.
As Elk v Wilkins shows, the SCOTUS feels Alliance is an important issue, as is Residency -- both problems if you're an Illegal Alien giving birth on our sovereign soil.
Here's the last paragraph of Elk v Wilkins:
"Born, therefore, in the territory, under the dominion and within the jurisdictional limits of the United States, plaintiff has acquired, as was his undoubted right, a residence in one of the states, with her consent, and is subject to taxation and to all other burdens imposed by her upon residents of every race. If he did not acquire national citizenship on abandoning his tribe and becoming, by residence in one of the states, subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States, then the Fourteenth Amendment has wholly failed to accomplish, in respect of the Indian race, what, we think, was intended by it, and there is still in this country a despised and rejected class of persons with no nationality whatever, who, born in our territory, owing no allegiance to any foreign power, and subject, as residents of the states, to all the burdens of government, are yet not members of any political community, nor entitled to any of the rights, privileges, or immunities of citizens of the United States.
Thanks, BP2. BTT.
Uhoh, now you’ve done it! The next fifty posts will spittle forth working to conflate citizen with natural born citizen. Shall we ping the usual obamanoids? ... Nah, they’ll do a search when they get to this website. And of course, they will probably get pinged by the current crop of noids.
Since you providfe no source/link I won’t respond.
Play the game Obot — sources and links.
Misdirection!
You are responding to a post about Madison, not jus solis.
Try and keep your focus.
Masses of telephone calls to Mr. Steele are in order ASAP.
I agree.
His Kenyan father was absent, but he was reared by Frank Marshall Davis..
The last thing grandma saw was a pillow..
Madison said this regards to a William Smith from S. Carolina born in 1758 and who left the colonies in 1770 as a child. He was in England at prep school with his parents and they were all absent from America during the whole of the war until November 1783; his parents both died while they were in England.
During the time of Williams' absence, the American Revolution took place in 1776. The debate in 1789 in Congress ("David Ramsay vs William Smith" -- S. Carolina)revolved around in order to his becoming a Citizen of the US, AS WELL AS be allowed to serve in public office at a US Representative ("seven Years a Citizen of the United States"), Williams must have done something previously on his part to show his acquiescence in the new US government established without his consent by the "Declaration of Independence".
In the end, Williams was "granted" citizenship and his Congressional seat, somewhat because of his political power, confusion over S. Carolina laws, and AT THE TIME, there was no existing case law to fall back on. HOWEVER, born out of his situation and other was the Citizenship Act of 1790 and others.
There ARE some striking similarities between BHO and Williams though. Those who opposed his citizenship and right to be a US Representative questioned his "locality" as an 18 year old in England at the time during the "Declaration of Independence".
ALSO, there were those who questioned his LOYALTY -- was it to the US or England?
A final note: Williams COULD NOT have served as US President, despite his birth in S. Carolina, because of the "out clause" written by the Framers AS WELL AS the Residency requirement for POTUS as outlined in the Constitution:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. "
I think, though, that you are in error in referring to "William Smith" as "Williams."
Unfortunately, today's Congress is not as concerned about constitutional qualifications of officeholders.
#294- Great job BP2. Thank you. My birth certificate and everyone else in my family, looks like those. Nothing like that crap zer0 wants us to believe it all that he needs. Bottom line is this, there are court cases, citizens have concerns, military has concerns, if he a shred of decency(which he doesn’t) and he cared about the citizens, why does he fight it? You can only draw 2 conclusions. 1. He is hiding something 2. He is the most arrogant as*hole that ever walked the face of this earth and gets his jollies out of giving Americans the middle finger and daring them to *make me show it*
He wrote that as a teen, he “ discovered “ an article about BO Sr “ folded away “ among his old vaccination records
and “ his birth certificate.”
Page 26 Dreams from My father
Barry was snooping .
Why ? What was he looking for ?
I wonder why the grandparents tucked away these documents.
And obviously the grandparents had a long form of his birth certificate .
Where did that go ?
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Notice how he never let granny Toot talk to the press. He hid her and made sure she never talked to the press.
I’ll bet Axelrod paids better than $5/hour. Shucks, he’s probably one of the libtard noids we endure regularly at FR. BTW, do ya suppose the fool has realized how much he has imaged himself like Hitler with his little scrawny mustache?
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