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ATF goes against Second Amendment
The Times Tribune ^ | 29 Sept, 2008 | Butch Housman

Posted on 09/30/2008 4:45:18 AM PDT by marktwain

My name is Butch Housman. Months ago I wrote a letter to the editor of this newspaper. As a result, Federal Agent Thomas Chittum asked to move the trial of my friends Leonard and Tom Elliott to Frankfort and cited my letter as cause, claiming I had “polluted the jury pool.” I was named specifically before the court and was criticized for questioning both the mission of his agency, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives, and in particular his case against the Bacon Creek Gun Shop. I didn’t realize I was such an influential scribe.

In light of the intimidating nature of the entire ordeal, Tom Elliott asked me not to write any more letters until after the trial. Wednesday he released me from that promise.

Now that my freedom of speech has been reclaimed, I would like to address Special Agent Thomas Chittum and anyone else who might be interested. I most definitely did question both the mission of your agency and your case against the Elliotts. I feel I was in good company, as the Supreme Court of the United States was also considering the landmark case District of Columbia vs. Heller at that time. A lot of folks were questioning all these gun laws we suffer under and how that could be considering the “... shall not be infringed” portion of the Second Amendment, the highest law of our land.

As far as your case against the Elliotts, after knowing them and doing business with them for over 30 years, any legal action against them that might result in their incarceration would have to be highly suspect in my mind. These people did not deserve to go to jail. I felt that was the solid truth.

I have made a number of statements, both public and private, disparaging the ATF. I would like to clarify these. As federal agencies go, I rank the ATF at the very bottom of the barrel mainly because its “mission” flies directly in the face of one of our inalienable rights as set forth in the Second Amendment. It’s not so much about firearms as it is about every creature’s right to offer up a physical defense, individually and collectively, in the event of physical attack. That’s simple stuff. Every person, every country, every little mouse in a corner can be expected to try and defend itself. Slaves, prisoners and beasts broke to harness are the ones who are prohibited from fighting back in their own defense. In these modern times, firearms are the most useful tools of defense. Tomorrow it may be ray guns ... or perhaps stones, but in any case everyone has the right to reach down and pick one up. Through the years, the ATF has shown a consistent pattern of pressing for more restrictive gun legislation and stricter interpretation of existing laws. Your mission is unworthy of the American ideal and your agency should be folded up and sent home.

As for the individuals employed by the ATF, that is sometimes a different story. The ATF was not always what it is now. Once upon a time, a federal firearms license cost about $5 and was easily obtainable. The paperwork requirements were minimal, inspections were non-intrusive and it was a useful way for law enforcement to get a handle on guns so as to trace ones used in crimes back to their owners.

If the government really wanted to do something constructive, they would return to that approach. There were many old timers working for the ATF who had their heads screwed on straight and who were pro-gun, pro-Second Amendment types. I have two friends, both retired from the ATF, who are fine fellows. One in particular dedicated a good part of his life to youth firearms safety training in the 4H. He was a man of the highest “caliber.” No doubt, there are still people working for the ATF who are reputable, but the agency’s whole mission and focus has been so turned against the citizens of the United States that I have little respect for what it’s now doing.

So Agent Chittum, while I wish you the best of luck in your personal life as well as personal safety in the low down lyin’, cheatin’ stuff you do for the government ... I wish you no success in your efforts to undermine the Constitution. The not guilty verdict for Tom and Leonard Elliott was music to my ears. Well done, jury!

I would like to close with this quote from Thomas Jefferson — “The Constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”

God Bless America.

Butch Housman, Corbin


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: 2008; atf; baconcreekgunshop; banglist; batfags; bootthebatfe; elections; gun; gunshop; jackbootedthugs; lp; nobama08; policestate; shallnotbeinfringed; thegang; thomaschittum
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To: Tarantulas
This is an agency that was caught on film advising their agents that although the know their firearms database is inaccurate that they are to testify ,under oath, that it is 100% accurate when they go to trials.
They are to lie to get convictions of innocent people and deprive them of their constitutional rights,due process, and you think the author had too much coffee?
I think those action might be a little illegal and maybe as citizens we should be a little concerned about them.
21 posted on 09/30/2008 6:29:14 AM PDT by bt-99 ("it's not ours to give")
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To: marktwain

On the day of the jury selection, go to the court house and hand out literature on the real meaning of the 2nd Amendment and documented abuses of the ATF without mentioning one word of the case.


22 posted on 09/30/2008 6:35:55 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: marktwain

Remember, we’re talking about the Bureau of F.A.T.E here.


23 posted on 09/30/2008 6:36:51 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Condor51

...and FOID is its prophet?

Alak salam


24 posted on 09/30/2008 6:40:35 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
*** ...and FOID is its prophet? ****

Ah yes, our wunnerful FOID (peace be upon its name) Card.

I just loooove renewing it and calling the State Police when 60 days has passed, the old one is expired, my new one hasn't arrived and trying to find out WTF is going on -- like when I'll be arrested for owning 'illegal guns'.

(my previous post is a take off from a line in the movie Manchurian Candidate (original one) and 'Raymond Shaw'. I use it on BATF threads)

25 posted on 09/30/2008 6:55:18 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Condor51

Its simple 51. If you don’t own a gun you don’t have to apply for a FOID.

I think there may be a “wink, wink, nudge, nudge” in there somewhere.


26 posted on 09/30/2008 7:01:03 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Tarantulas
I think you need to get and view a copy of this movie The Gang - the movie to find out the truth about the BATFE.
27 posted on 09/30/2008 7:05:56 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
**** Its simple 51. If you don’t own a gun you don’t have to apply for a FOID. (I think there may be a “wink, wink, nudge, nudge” in there somewhere.) ****

True and I got ya
But I have a BATF Class 03, C&R License. So I have to dot all the 'I's' and cross the 'T's'.

And if the BATF ever decided to check my 'bound book' when my FOID is expired I'd have a HUGH problem. Though the chances of that are slim, one never knows.

28 posted on 09/30/2008 7:18:16 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: marktwain
...There were many old timers working for the ATF who had their heads screwed on straight and who were pro-gun, pro-Second Amendment types. I have two friends, both retired from the ATF, who are fine fellows. One in particular dedicated a good part of his life to youth firearms safety training in the 4H. He was a man of the highest “caliber.” No doubt, there are still people working for the ATF who are reputable, but the agency’s whole mission and focus has been so turned against the citizens of the United States that I have little respect for what it’s now doing.

I'm sure that Butch is correct about the newer crop of agents suffering in contrast to some of the older guys, but the problem of "overly zealous" agents has actually plagued BATFE from its earliest days. The era of Prohibition, still-busting and Eliot Ness is long gone, boys. Quit trying to find "Public Enemy Number One" behind every gunshop sales counter.

29 posted on 09/30/2008 7:51:11 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: marktwain

Not content to try to destroy the Second Amendment, the ATF is now going after the First Amendment. How much more clear could it be, that this agency is out of control?

The BATF should be disolved, at the very least it’s management forbidden to work in law enforcement in the future.


30 posted on 09/30/2008 9:57:38 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: Tarantulas
Ummmmm by chance do you happen to have a pair of JACKBOOTS lurking in your closet? Or maybe a family connection to the BATFE? I mean, that's okay, but your tepid response belies the horrors this agency has foisted on the nation. Because these guys are the American Gestapo!
31 posted on 09/30/2008 10:11:24 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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I always thought that ATF stood for automatic transmission fluid.


32 posted on 09/30/2008 12:38:03 PM PDT by webboy45
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To: Joe Brower; bamahead

Bang!


33 posted on 09/30/2008 2:02:32 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: EdReform; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...




Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
34 posted on 09/30/2008 2:32:19 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: marktwain

It should be abolished for other reasons too.


35 posted on 09/30/2008 2:37:03 PM PDT by djsherin (The federal government: Because your life isn't screwed up enough!)
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To: mad_as_he$$
I'm not impressed with any of the Federal LE folks anymore. Most have become either political prosecutors or are just plain incompetent.
36 posted on 09/30/2008 2:46:00 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: marktwain
Thanks Butch!!!!

You are a true American Patriot

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37 posted on 09/30/2008 3:31:44 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (http://www.theobamafile.com/))
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To: Tarantulas
"Butch, next time try decaf. Sheesh."

There should be a law, eh?

[Little irony and sarcasm there.]


38 posted on 09/30/2008 3:38:11 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: P8riot

“Five justices in the Supreme Court came fairly close.”

Of course, the 5 SCOTUS justices are not an agency of the executive branch, and the likelihood of them interfering with anything the jackboots do on a day to day basis is NIL.


39 posted on 09/30/2008 3:53:16 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: Condor51
I am now in the 7th week of my "4-6 week" wait to renew mine.

My 13 year old son got his in 4 weeks. I guess it takes time to do a criminal background check on a kid who won't be old to drive for 3-1/2 more years.

L

40 posted on 09/30/2008 3:54:38 PM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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