Surgeon General Carmona Leaves Post (Dancing in the streets alert!)

United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | uly 31, 2006 | KEVIN FREKING

[SheLion]

WASHINGTON -- Quietly leaving his post as surgeon general, Dr. Richard Carmona said he would judge himself successful if he had persuaded one student to make good health choices or one mother to stop smoking.

Carmona's report condemning secondhand smoke was a hallmark of his tenure as the nation's 17th surgeon general.

[raybbr]

Are you going to condemn the findings of the American Cancer Society?

Huh???? This backs me up.

[7thson]

Okay, here is the rest of the story -

After leaving active duty, Dr. Carmona attended Bronx Community College, of the City University of New York, where he earned his associate of arts degree. He later attended and graduated from the University of California, San Francisco, with a bachelor of science degree (1977) and medical degree (1979). At the University of California Medical School, Dr. Carmona was awarded the prestigious gold headed cane as the top graduate. He has also earned a masters of public health from the University of Arizona (1998).

Dr. Carmona has worked in various positions in the medical field including paramedic, registered nurse and physician. Dr. Carmona completed a surgical residency at the University of California, San Francisco, and a National Institutes of Health-sponsored fellowship in trauma, burns and critical care. Dr. Carmona is a Fellow of the American College of Surgeons, and is also certified in correctional health care and in quality assurance.

Prior to being named Surgeon General, Dr. Carmona was the chairman of the State of Arizona Southern Regional Emergency Medical System, a professor of surgery, public health and family and community medicine at the University of Arizona, and the Pima County Sheriff's Department surgeon and deputy sheriff.

Dr. Carmona has also held progressive positions of responsibility as chief medical officer, hospital chief executive officer, public health officer, and finally chief executive officer of the Pima county health care system. He has also served as a medical director of police and fire departments and is a fully-qualified peace officer with expertise in special operations and emergency preparedness, including weapons of mass destruction.

Dr. Carmona has published extensively and received numerous awards, decorations, and local and national recognition for his achievements. A strong supporter of community service, he has served on community and national boards and provided leadership to many diverse organizations.

First off, his bio never states he became an officer. Enlisted SpecOps. Second, he left active duty in the early 70's. I guess I should have been more specific. He never served in the Navy! Why do they wear the Admirals uniform? His few years in the Army did not give him all those ribbons. Where do they come from and why is he allowed to wear them?

[Just another Joe]

And once again, Ray, your agenda is showing.

[Alter Kaker]

Lung cancer is just the tip of the iceberg. Smoking dramatically increases risks for a great many kinds of cancer, including breast, prostate and colon, dramatically increases the risks of heart disease, dramatically increases the risks of diabetes and stroke, etc. These aren't tenuous or hypothetical links, these are huge, clinically proven, scientifically inarguable risk factors that dwarf just about everything else that you can do to yourself to get you sick.

[Raycpa]

Posters created by the Surgeon General that is the subject of this thread are not relevant?

[mwernimont]

No, it doesn't back you up at all. It proves the hype about secondhand smoke is just that......exaggerated hype, financed by pharmaceutical nicotine interests.

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2006/01/will-there-be-investigation-into-this.html

[mwernimont]

Did you read this post ray the ACS test results PROVE secondhand smoke is 25,000 times SAFER than OSHA regulations for secondhand smoke.

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2004/04/american-cancer-society-test-results.html

SAFER.....so where's the health hazard?

[raybbr]

Do you know how to read a chart?

[SheLion]

I hope it wasn't something I said.....

Great Blog there!  And you are just saying what the rest of us are saying!  If the truth hurts the anti's, so be it.  I'm tired of them trying to pull the wool over the general non-smoking public.  We have enough to worry about in this day and age without having to defend wisps of smoke. heh!

Thanks for your link.  I really enjoyed seeing it!

[Just another Joe]

And what is the PEL for Nicotine Particulates?

[SheLion]

ahhh poor baby.....

[PurpleMan]

Actually, DrKoop.com, Inc. not Koop the person filed for bankrupcty.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em

[Just another Joe]

Posters created by the Surgeon General that is the subject of this thread are not relevant?

When the SG in question has put his credibility on the line with his public statements, his credibility is on the line period.

[SheLion]

Your self-concious, hyperbolic responses might indicate that you are aware of the truth at some level, but resistant to it. Happy puffing.

Why thank you!!!  Many of us FReepers sure do!  :)

It's legal doncha know.

[SheLion]

Are you going to condemn the findings of the American Cancer Society?

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2004/04/american-cancer-society-test-results.html

It's their air quality test results after all.

I can't WAIT to hear his answer on THIS one! heh!

[Skooz]

Dancing in the streets because of one guy quitting his job that advocates quitting smoking as a healthy choice????

Bizarre, isn't it?

[Gamecock]

***What the hell are those ribbons for if they never served!?***

FYI, Carmona has the SF tab, Combat Medical Badge, Purple Heart and Bronze Star, I believe with a V device. He was a SF medic in Vietnam.

Here is a good Jeopardy question: What are the seven uniformed services? (Now, can you name them? Googling is not allowed...) ;-)

[mwernimont]

Good point Ray, read the chart what does it say? Nothing

You see that is exactly what the ACS did when they first conducted the testing.....they said see there are nanograms of secondhand smoke in the air....it proves SHS is hazardous. (btw a nanogram is 10(-9)).

Then a reader of Dr. Siegel's blog pointed the ACS testing out to me, and since my career involved indoor air quality I knew about OSHA air quality regulations....OSHA CFR 29

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=9992

covers any and all airborne hazards, so if secondhand smoke was indeed hazardous then the ACS test results would confirm that......however it proved quite the opposite.

[SheLion]

Lung cancer is just the tip of the iceberg. Smoking dramatically increases risks for a great many kinds of cancer, including breast, prostate and colon, dramatically increases the risks of heart disease, dramatically increases the risks of diabetes and stroke, etc. These aren't tenuous or hypothetical links, these are huge, clinically proven, scientifically inarguable risk factors that dwarf just about everything else that you can do to yourself to get you sick.

Once again, a lot of people are predisposed to having been born with the cancer gene.

If a person is active and eats healthy, smoking isn't going to make them sicker then your fat couch potato.  How do you account for smokers living well into their 80's and 90's?

I was a professional dancer for many years and I smoked.  Smoking never shortened my breath and I could dance all night.  I was in great physical shape and smoking was never an issue in my life.

I never smoked 4 packs a day, either.  Moderation is the key to everything we do in life. 

[383rr]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Anyone here who didn't see through the agenda driven crapola from these people are fools. They have an agenda. They are not freedom's friend. I don't care what he did.

He advocates lies, and is no friend of mine. Some honorable man this is. He knowingly deceives. The whole SHS spiel study he loved to quote was threw out, for being the junk science it is. The position of surgeon general ought to be abolished, as it is another example of wasteful government, and is nothing but an office of propaganda.

All you nanny-lovers can bow to the government, I don't care. But you better not expect me to swallow this load of $hit, 'cause I guarantee you I won't.