Surgeon General Carmona Leaves Post (Dancing in the streets alert!)

United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | uly 31, 2006 | KEVIN FREKING

[SheLion]

I am not saying they should ban it, but either sh*t or get off the pot. It is a legal substance, period, case closed.

Amen!

[SheLion]

Has smoking ever been put on a death certificate as the cause of death?

Read my post #16

[satchmodog9]

Scaremongering and masturbation.

[7thson]

The one thing that galls me about the Surgeon General post is they allow these idiots to wear an Admirals uniform. These people have never been in the navy, yet they not only get to wear that uniform but they have all those ribbons. What the hell are those ribbons for if they never served!?

[SheLion]

In other words, he served his ceremonial political post and went away, having accomplished basically nothing. He got a very big soapbox from which to pursue his obsession against smokers and then he left. Good riddance. But it is funny to see his name mentioned alongside someone like Jocelyn Elders. Remember her, the Surgeon General who wanted to teach grade school children how to masturbate?

 

And people still respect that office. Go figure.

I just received the above in email.  Truer words were never spoken!  Thanks Dan!

[SheLion]

It may be politically correct to attack secondhand smoke, but it is not scientifically correct nor, in the Court’s opinion, legally correct.

Federal Court  Ruling on the Tobacco Industry's EPA Lawsuit: Summary and Practical Implications

In 1998 the link made by the EPA Report in 1993 between secondary smoke and cancer was thrown out in a federal court because the statistics were bent to support a predetermined conclusion and normal scientific guidelines were ignored.

[SheLion]

It may be politically correct to attack secondhand smoke, but it is not scientifically correct nor, in the Court’s opinion, legally correct.

Federal Court  Ruling on the Tobacco Industry's EPA Lawsuit: Summary and Practical Implications

In 1998 the link made by the EPA Report in 1993 between secondary smoke and cancer was thrown out in a federal court because the statistics were bent to support a predetermined conclusion and normal scientific guidelines were ignored.

[raybbr]

And no one can ever produce a death certificate that second hand smoke ever killed ANYONE!

Thanks for proving my point. Direct smoke and second hand smoke, according to you, have never been listed as a cause of death. Yet, even you agree that it is not healthy: "None of us advocates smoking as a healthy choice in life..."

Also, note that since it has not been listed as a cause of death it has never been ruled out either.

Smoking is a horrible thing to do to your body and if you are exposing children and others to it you are harming your fellow beings. Like it or not.

[SheLion]

Most SGs want to leave a legacy of scaremongering. Otherwise, the nanny state would be no more.

And most of these idiots aren't even DOCTOR'S!!!!! 

But it is funny to see his name mentioned alongside someone like Jocelyn Elders. Remember her, the Surgeon General who wanted to teach grade school children how to masturbate?

 

And people still respect that office. Go figure.

Most SGs want to leave a legacy of scaremongering. Otherwise, the nanny state would be no more.

And most of these idiots aren't even DOCTOR'S!!!!! 

But it is funny to see his name mentioned alongside someone like Jocelyn Elders. Remember her, the Surgeon General who wanted to teach grade school children how to masturbate?

 

And people still respect that office. Go figure.

[SheLion]

The one thing that galls me about the Surgeon General post is they allow these idiots to wear an Admirals uniform. These people have never been in the navy, yet they not only get to wear that uniform but they have all those ribbons. What the hell are those ribbons for if they never served!?

Like I said: most of them aren't even DOCTOR'S!!!!! 

[gridlock]

I hate smoking. I wish the government would stop protecting the tobacco industry and let the lawyers pick the corpse clean. But I can't stand lies.

And this nonsense on second hand smoke is nothing but a pack of lies. And stupid, obvious lies at that.

There is more than enough real data on smoking, there is no need to make more up.

[SheLion]

Smoking is a horrible thing to do to your body and if you are exposing children and others to it you are harming your fellow beings. Like it or not.

Listen, I certainly do not have to explain anything to you, but most of us in here grew up in smoking households.

And many of us married and have children, who also grew up into smoking households.  Most of our kids are strong, young adults today with babes of their own. 

If you want to buy into the anti crap about second hand smoke hurting and killing everyone, that's your prerogative.  But it's all lies, like it or not. 

You just want to believe this crap because you hate smokers, you hate smoking and like some of your ilk YOU CAN'T STAND THE SMELL.

Well, "I" can't stand the smell of an unwashed body and a dirty mouth either.  Personal hygiene has a lot do do with smells, and a good bar of soap and water and toothpaste and shampoo go along way. 

I have hung with smokers since I was born.  I started smoking at age 16, (peer pressure), and I hung with smokers for many years.  It hasn't hurt ME or any of my family or friends.  Don't even try to explain it to me, because you and I will never agree when it comes to the smoking issue.

"Smoking is a horrible thing to do to your body?" heh! What about alcoholism?  Meth and drug use?  Over eating? The list goes on and on and on.  But all you can concentrate on is smoking.  Pity.

[mwernimont]

I hope it wasn't something I said.....

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-hope-it-wasnt-something-i-said.html

[Raycpa]

Vice Admiral Richard H. Carmona was sworn in as the 17th Surgeon General of the United States Public Health Service on August 5, 2002.

Born and raised in New York City, Dr. Carmona dropped out of high school and enlisted in the U.S. Army in 1967. While enlisted he received his Army General Equivalency Diploma, joined the Army's Special Forces, ultimately becoming a combat-decorated Vietnam veteran, and began his career in medicine.

[Raycpa]

Dr. Carmona has worked in various positions in the medical field including paramedic, registered nurse and physician. Dr. Carmona completed a surgical residency at the University of California, San Francisco, and a National Institutes of Health-sponsored fellowship in trauma, burns and critical care. Dr. Carmona is a Fellow of the American College of Surgeons, and is also certified in correctional health care and in quality assurance.

[raybbr]

You see. Raycpa is right. Your vehemence and lack of ability to have a rational discussion makes you your own worst enemy.

And many of us married and have children, who also grew up into smoking households. Most of our kids are strong, young adults today with babes of their own.

I grew up in a smoking household. My parents still smoke. So what? I still think smoking is a horrible thing.

If you want to buy into the anti crap about second hand smoke hurting and killing everyone, that's your prerogative. But it's all lies, like it or not.

You can't prove that. Don't post your one or two links. Not enough research has been done by objective sources.

I have hung with smokers since I was born. I started smoking at age 16, (peer pressure), and I hung with smokers for many years. It hasn't hurt ME or any of my family or friends. Don't even try to explain it to me, because you and I will never agree when it comes to the smoking issue.

Sure it's harmed you. Look at your posts. Your anger is overwhelming towards people like me. It's alienated you to posting to your choir.

"Smoking is a horrible thing to do to your body?" heh! What about alcoholism? Meth and drug use? Over eating? The list goes on and on and on. But all you can concentrate on is smoking. Pity.

God, how wrong can one person be. I have spent years helping alcoholics. Do you know my thoughts, deeds and words?

Your inability to see past the glowing end of your cigarette has turned you into a most unpleasant poster.

Good day.

[usafsk]

What a nutcase! The thread is about smoking, so why should someone be forced to list other harmful activities. Do you understand that lung cancer risk is an order of magnitude higher for smokers than non-smokers?

And, yes, I hate the smell. And you have certainly been harmed by smoking, as have your family members. Pity, indeed.

Your self-concious, hyperbolic responses might indicate that you are aware of the truth at some level, but resistant to it. Happy puffing.

[mwernimont]

Are you going to condemn the findings of the American Cancer Society?

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2004/04/american-cancer-society-test-results.html

It's their air quality test results after all.

[Alter Kaker]

None of us advocates smoking as a healthy choice in life, but there are a lot worse things adults can do with themselves.

Heroin, crack cocaine, and russian roullette. Otherwise, no, there aren't. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

[CertainInalienableRights]

Do you understand that lung cancer risk is an order of magnitude higher for smokers than non-smokers

Do you understand that the chances of getting into a fatal car accident are much higher if you drive then if you walk?

Life is full of risks. Adults need to constantly make informed choices evaluating risks and rewards. No one's assessment is the same as to which risks are worth the rewards.

Not to speak for SheLion, but she has admitted that smoking is a risky activity. But so is driving, drinking, hangliding, and all sorts of legal activities that adults engage in.

What smokers need is better information on the risks with which to base their decisions. When people like the SG make assertions based on dubious science, and anti-smoking nazis in government jump on the same "science" to pass ever more restrictive laws - now affecting private property rights, then how much credence do you think smokers are going to give to all the previous data? It throws it all into question.