Posted on 05/06/2006 9:51:50 AM PDT by Sonora
Current poll:
"A time for choosing: It appears that a significant number of our members are so disgusted with the GOP's failure to secure our borders against illegal aliens that they are willing to risk all by voting them out of office, even if it means Pelosi, Reid, Hillary, et al, are allowed to take charge. Is this the best course of action or should we be working harder than ever to hold the line and actually try to make a difference by getting more constitutionally-minded conservatives elected? Are you willing to give it all up or are you more determined than ever to keep the Marxists out of power?" _____
So far, 13% of members and 18%+ of participants in this poll say - turn it over to the rats. What's with that? I cannot believe that 13% of those posting here are so stupid or angry with what is happening that they would turn to the rats for the way back to perfect. Now, 13% will result in a winning vote, in a lot of cases.
Anyway, I guess that there is no compromising for some people - just dig a hole and live there while the rats are in charge. I'm so disappointed.
I may be wrong but I do not recall Bush stating he was for a "guest worker program" prior to the 2000 election. I thought I paid attention to that campaign but may have missed some of it. Could you provide a link to that speech?
This is an excellent post. Can you imagine Hillary as a Republican? LOL
Well At one time I posted if a Kennedy became a Republican the same thing would happen. His name is Arnold LOL.
Seriously Hillary isn't stupid. If the GOP is not very, very, careful she will appear to the voters to be more conservative than the GOP. The exact same tactic Bill used against Dole and it worked. Just start listening to her and you'll pick up on it. The GOP will not win trying to run left of the DEMs. People are getting fed up with it and the GOP leadership doesn't seem to even care.
Unfortunately for our nation IF she gets into the White House she will have far more powers at her disposal than Hubby ever dreamed up thanks to the Republicans who refused to abide by Constitutional principle on the separation of powers. They have nearly made this man a king and the next POTUS may well do it despite their saying no.
Congress is out of Constitutional Oder. That and that alone is the main problem in our government today. Correct that and the other two branches must follow the lead.
Of course the RNC and DNC leadership etc wishes for the voters not to understand this. The Judiciary is their favorite excuse to continue with their charade and scaring the voters into their submission.
Should read: Congress is out of Constitutional Order.
Apparently, I should have examined the details, because I presumed a guest-worker was someone coming in through legal channels for seasonal work - not sneaking across the border and dropping anchor babies in the first emergency room. I don't think any of us foresaw a time when illegals would be marching in the streets making demands on our country, when they don't even have the courtesy to wait to be invited in.
The hot-button issues of the campaign were restoring our military, controlling spending, cutting taxes, making government agencies more responsive and accountable for results, to name a few. I don't recall a whole lot of time being spent on giving amnesty to illegal aliens, although I did try to follow the campaign closely.
Let's be honest, the choices between President Bush and those slugs the Democrats attempted to foist on the public was an easy one...President Bush all the way, even if it meant crawling over broken glass to get to the voting booth! But that shouldn't mean we have to unqualifyingly support everything he proposes; and this issue is very important to a lot of people whose families and communities have been negatively impacted by it.
Voting for the better candidate? Always a wise decision. Supporting the subversion of the rule of law and allowing the compromise of our national security? Seems to me we were on the warpath when President Clinton tried that; heck, we even impeached him over it!!!
I don't want President Bush to ever be in the same category as the former TRIPOTUS; he deserves better than that, and we deserve better than "amnesty by any other name."
In this case, we can agree to disagree.
You may not believe this, but I do know one person who thinks that Bush is behind Hillary for President. The close relationship of GH Bush and Clinton are evidence of this plus the rejection of the conservative base will push Hillary into office. This is the plan for the NWO.
I just pinged you to another site as I wanted you to read the article and then read devolves post. It is hillarious.
Nope, I can't provide a link...I just don't remember him ever saying anything but a guest worker program..and I know that before 9/11...he and Vincente Fox were working towards that goal...
Mind you...I am pretty much against his plan...I would prefer a wall being buildt NOW...and then when it is done, we will worry about what to do with the illegals that are already here.
Sorry about no link...
I think we agree MUCH more that we disagree...check your freepmail!
Well I don't believe there is any hate between them. It's true they both are pushing much of the same agenda. Bush also refused to allow any further investigations into the Clinton dealings. I'll read the other article in a few minutes.
They will likely be elected because they do talk to the right of the GOP. The GOP can not afford to go any further left or the United States will soon be a third world status nation. I watched Al Gore nearly defeat Bush in 2000 doing so. Republicans forget it was Bush's policy that got him in office in 2000 it was Gore being tainted. An untainted by Clinton Gore would have won by a landslide. Slick Wille beat Dole running right of him in 1996. Historically when the GOP runs conservative which it has not actually done since 1994 it wins with good margins. We lost the senate one during this time remember? It was 2000 wasn't it? I think Bush running left had a lot to do with it. The conservative DEMs which the GOP also ignores either stayed home or voted Gore.
In 2000 in here I wrote Gore would not be easy to defeat and could possibly win. I understand Gore politics because I remember his Daddy.
The leadership of the Democrat party is as sorry as Bat Sh!t and will not or can not change in the immediate future. I make my judgments on Howard Dean, George Soros and the whole bunch of extremist radical hooligans posing as leaders. These guys through manipulation of party members with big money and threats make sure straight thinking Democrats do not stray far off the plantation.
The GOP is not any better in that respect. They use fear to bully the voters rather than actually take firm policy stands OPPOSITE of the DEMs and stick to it win or loose. Howard Dean=John McCain. McCain is every bit as looney tunes as Dean and as every bit as extreme. There are many of the same Big Money that pushed Clinton also pushing Liberals in the GOP including Bush. Tell me why hasn't Tyson Foods been raided by Immigration? Follow the money. Instead it was a container company.
Why not read up on Abe Lincoln and see whether or not as some historians are saying that Lincoln was a bigger offender of the constitution than Bush.
I think you didn't catch my point on Lincoln. He tossed states rights and the Civil War was not about slavery it was about the Union imposing the government over the rights of the states. Lincoln shredded it much like Republicans of today. I'm not that worried about the office of POTUS because I understand the Voice of the People {Congress} is the problem. Right now a strong minority of Tancredo & Paul type of conservatives would stop the Liberals from the GOP & DEMs in their tracks. It worked for the GOP for 50 years.
No the liberal Dems and the Liberal Republicans are not the same. There is a fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats and that has to do with the protection of American traditions and the belief that God is an inherent part of our basis for being who we are and why we are such a great nation.
Nope a liberal is a liberal. Painting a zebra doesn't make it a Tennessee Walking Horse. Liberals in the GOP don't care about American values one iota. Values to them are bargaining chip. BTW churches and Christian programs that signed on to the Faith Based Programs just gave the devil a voice in their churches. It was a very bad idea the fed giving money to churches and faith based programs that use religious principle and teachings for their success.
You see what the government pays for it controls. Right now we have churches being censored by the United States Post Office because they use NPO status for lower rates. If the USPS doesn't agree with the message bye bye privilege. How long now since churches take Cesar's money will it be before Cesar dictates the sermons on Sunday and forces hiring of gays as preachers etc? A very, very, bad idea that many said was good because Bush had a brain passage of gas.
I want the government out of as much of our lives as possible. I loathe the idea of such nonsense as the Department of Homeland Security, The Patriot Act, The McCain campaign reform to name a few. They were not needed and it is abuse of powers. I resent our POTUS using the attack on 9/11 to push for his precious Fast Track Trade Authority. That cheapened the seriousness of that attack and had nothing whatsoever to do with it.
I resent his pandering to questionable foreign leaders in the name of so called Free Trade. I resent a Communist Christian Killing Dictator Thug being given a full honor welcome at OUR White House. Many in here were upset because precious Bush's Chicom friend was told the truth by a woman Doctor who very well knew it. She had a hell of a lot more courage that day than our leaders in Washington ,DC and a hell of a lot more character too. I resent seeing our aircraft carriers tied up at piers in the UAE. I say that as a Navy Vet who has a good understanding of what it takes to get a carrier underway that berths pier side and the quickness anchoring off the coast allows. It is a difference between less than 5 minutes or more than 2 hours. I know I have seen a carrier get underway anchored in less than 5 minutes and out of the harbor within 15 minutes.
I am disturbed that we have a WOT and yet our government could not get those responsible for the COLE Bombing. Instead of being in U.S. custody facing a military tribunals they escaped a Yemen so called prison.
I am disturbed that our leaders are cutting deals with foreign nations to run plants that provide for our defense needs such as plane parts. This is what the GOP has done. How can it get much worse? Where were the conservatives? Split in half!!!! Some thinking party line should be honored and the remaining ones left hanging out to dry by Bush and the other liberals. Do you not yet understand nothing stands in the way of Bush trade policy? It always has been the driving force of his policies.
He is getting us deeper and deeper into usually one sided trade agreements {such as China} and surrendering our national sovereignty to other nations. Not so long ago letting other nations of questionable repute have military secrets was called treason.
I did not like it when Clintons family did business with the government of China and I don't like the Bush family doing it either. China is not our friend. But when has a nation wishing our nation to fall ever stopped a Bush when it comes to trade?
The GOP has not been black conservative friendly itself now has it? JC Watts ruined his own credibility substantially. But that was a character issues and not a race one. Keyes had some great ideas in 2000. The GOP locked him out. There are black conservatives. But like white ones the GOP says shut up and vote for us or else the DEMs will win.
If you want a good lesson in just how conservative even a self proclaimed liberal Dem can be look at the governor of Tennessee. He is not a Conservatives dream but he is far better than our previous Republican nightmare.
People aren't having to circle the state Capitol Building honking horns these days to protest the RINO's State Income Tax demand. Corruption in the states Hillary Care Program is under control. The state is in the black budget wise. But I really wish he would loose his Pre-K school program nonsense. 4 year olds belong with momma IMO so do 5 year olds.
In my state D's and R's doesn't mean that much unless you are in Memphis and are running against the Ford Family. People vote DEM because Grandpa did. Bad reason but a lot of conservative DEMs. I know there are good Republicans. I plan to vote for Ed Bryant. I think the White House and GOP shafted him because he was a House Manager. I preferred him much more that Lamar Alexander who is as Big Government as the day is long. But before Fred Thompson could make his official announcement of retirement the White House and RNC had made certain Alexanders name was on every network report on the matter as the likely replacement candidate. That sorta nonsense angers me. Alexander was a so-so governor at best who looked much better than the felon he replaced. Ironically he replaced the felon Thompson brought down which brings up just how disappointing Thompson was on the hearings.
Thompson could have done much better and didn't. Up till that point I had a lot of respect for the man. Frist? I didn't vote for him last time. The nation doesn't know the whole Frist story. He's a RINO. The Frist family is heavy into Dem politics as well. I checked the campaign records.
The Medicare reform is a farce. It is nothing more than a Hillary Care Program in Tennessee being done on a national level. All he did is what Gore, Hillary, and a Dem named Ned Ray McWherter did. They put government money into the hands of HMO's rather than simply trimming the benefits. Medicare should be ended within a generation but giving HMO's federal funds is not the answer. Let people opt out. If they want an HMO let them get one. In the mean time the Government should oversee Medicare until privatization is accomplished. As it stands now it leaves no way for the taxpayer to petition congress for Medicare abuses. I saw the same thing happen with Medicaid in Tennessee. Frist knows that system can not work yet he supported it on the state level and took it to a national level. I didn't vote for Frist I left that part of the ballot blank in protest as there was not a third party canidate running to vote for.
BTW Lamar Alexander was also a shill for trying to get us a state income tax as well by supporting our former RINO governors efforts on it. The man is not the conservative many say he is. He needs to go when his term is up.
Republicans are bringing this on themselves... they have no one to blame the the person they look at in the mirror in the morning. You cannot expect to continue to win by just saying "Hey, we aren't the other guys".. if you ignore the desires of the electorate and continue to sell the nation down the crapper, you will lose, period.
Republicans have sold the nation down the tubes on Immigration, sold it down the tubes with H1-B, sold it down the tubs by refusing to enforce or reform the energy futures markets.... etc etc etc.. They are facing a huge hit in Nov if they don't clean their act up... and it surely doesn't look like they are going to.
Well if the 'Pubbies aren't gonna be conservative we might as well let the Demoncrats run things. Won't make that much of a difference.
Gee, maybe its the President's fault if he gets impeached, since he didn't provide leadership and otherwise restrain the more foolish impulses of his party?
There's no doubt the President has made some mistakes, however I don't count not providing leadership, and not restraining his party among them.
But it doesn't matter. Neither your standards nor mine justify impeachment.
Nothing President Bush has done, as President, justifies impeachment ('cept maybe the border issue and I think there is more goin' on there than folks like me realize), but that won't stop the Demoncrats.
However, walking away from the folks who elected him, and toleratin' idiocy in his party, left him vulnerable so, if gets impeached, he deserves it.
Here's your link:
http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__Bush.htm
I found it by googling
"Bush 2000 campaign, guest worker program"
_____________________________________________________ George W. Bush on Immigration
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""""Our economy could not function without the immigrants. (Jan 2006)
Support a humane guest-worker program that rejects amnesty. (Jan 2006)
It's time to permit temporary guest workers. (Feb 2005)
Temporary workers ok, but no amnesty. (Oct 2004)
A time-limited worker card for the illegal immigrants. (Oct 2004)
Don't believe we ought to have amnesty. (Oct 2004)
Support temporary worker program but oppose amnesty. (Jan 2004)
New temporary worker program includes illegal aliens. (Jan 2004)
Mexico: immigration reform in exchange for oil development.(Jun 2003)
Respect other languages, but teach all children English. (Nov 2000)
$500M to cut INS application time to 6 months. (Jul 2000)
Welcome Latinos; immigration is not a problem to be solved. (Jun 2000)
Make INS more “immigrant friendly”. (Jun 2000)
High tech: More H-1B worker visas; less export controls. (Apr 2000)
Farm policy: Open markets abroad; more H-2A worker visas. (Apr 2000)
Latinos enrich us; family values go past Rio Grande. (Feb 2000)
More border guards to compassionately turn away Mexicans. (Dec 1999)
Guest workers, maybe; citizenship waiting period, yes. (Aug 1999)" """"
This was not a good poll - quite frankly, it framed the debate in an either/or situation. At this point, there needs to be a third option, since we are months away from the election - with the third option being:
Encourage the House GOP to hold the line on border security and tell Arlen Specter, John McCain and President Bush to get in line with the House GOP.
If that option had been present, IMO it would have received a strong majority.
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