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Groundbreaking Book: Science Shows Man Not an Ape

Posted on 12/21/2005 6:22:46 AM PST by truthfinder9

One of biggest paradigm shifts in origins in recent years is when genetics and morphological studies began to show that Neanderthals and humans weren’t related. Sure, a lot of Darwin Fundies around here don’t know that because they get all of their science from the talking point lists of their Fundamentalist Leaders. So this is probably a big shock too, science is also showing that man is not related to any hominids including apes.

In the groundbreaking book, Who was Adam?, biochemist Fazale Rana examines the scientific research that is overturning Darwinian Fundamentalism. Here, using peer-reviewed research that the Darwin Fundies claim doesn’t exist, Rana shows man is unique and designed.

And he details the latest findings on the fossil record, junk DNA, Neanderthals, human and chimp genetics. There's more science here than most Darwin Fundies have ever read, but this will be the next great paradigm shift.

“The parallels between Genesis and the latest scientific data are profound...” - John A. Bloom, Ph.D., professor of physics, Biola University

On Rana’s previous book, Origins of Life:

“Evolution has just been dealt its deathblow. After reading Origins of Life, it is clear that evolution could not have occurred.” - Richard Smalley, Nobel Laureate, Chemistry, 1996, professor of physics and astronomy, Rice University

Real science by real scientists. According to Darwin Fundies this doesn't exist, but here it is.


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To: From The Deer Stand
"Hmmmm....interesting. Wouldn't it be something if, as the decades pass, man evolves back into apes?"

We still are apes.
261 posted on 12/21/2005 8:50:02 AM PST by ndt
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To: ndt
It's a much stronger argument to allow the evidence to speak then to rely on appeals to authority.

With regard to science, yes.... Life in general, on the other hand, is another question.

262 posted on 12/21/2005 8:50:13 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Alter Kaker

>>>Then you're not listening. Speciation -- a basic concept of the theory of evolution --- explains how one population splits in two, with one branch evolving in one direction (in this case into humans) and the other in another (in this case into chimpanzees and bonobos). You should do a little reading about speciation before you come on this thread and tell us that scientists have given you no answers.>>>

Scientists have given no answers as to the aspect of HUMANS. Why do HUMANS and no other creature CONTINUE to grow intellectually, while other species remain just as primitive as they were 1,000,000 years ago? Maybe they change physically to adapt to their environment, but humans continue to expand.


263 posted on 12/21/2005 8:50:52 AM PST by sandbar
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To: ndt

>>>You are assuming that man is the "end goal" of evolution. Two genera (ex: australopithicus, pan) no matter how closely related would never end up evolving in to the same descendant species.>>>

I am not. I assuming that man is the only species that continues to grow intellectually, while other species remain primitive.


264 posted on 12/21/2005 8:51:45 AM PST by sandbar
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To: theBuckwheat

a bare planet...

Hardly an apt description of the cooling earth, churning with all kinds of complex molecules, bubbling with volcanic activity, rained on by fires and meteors from the sky.

It was a very busy place.


265 posted on 12/21/2005 8:53:33 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"With regard to science, yes.... Life in general, on the other hand, is another question."

I don't agree. You should always be able to provide a rational explanation for "why". If you can't it suggests you are arguing dogma.
266 posted on 12/21/2005 8:54:18 AM PST by ndt
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To: mlc9852
Saying "I don't know" is hardly ducking the question. And I believe Genesis is true but it doesn't say how old the earth is. It just says God created everything in the earth in six days.

There are a lot of things Genesis doesn't say, but that doesn't stop people from trying to use it as a science book.

By the way, if you don't know the age of the earth, you are rejecting physics as well as biology.

267 posted on 12/21/2005 8:55:39 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138

How am I rejecting anything by saying "I don't know"? Even real scientists often don't agree on things so what's the big deal?


268 posted on 12/21/2005 8:57:02 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: add925
Namecalling without a descent rebuttal = Moonbat

If your mispelling was intentional, I applaud your subtle genius. If not, it's still funny.

269 posted on 12/21/2005 8:57:05 AM PST by bobhoskins (?)
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To: sandbar
Scientists have given no answers as to the aspect of HUMANS. Why do HUMANS and no other creature CONTINUE to grow intellectually, while other species remain just as primitive as they were 1,000,000 years ago? Maybe they change physically to adapt to their environment, but humans continue to expand.

Two answers that are mutually exclusive:

A purely scientific view may be that the ability to intellectually expand is an emergent property from evolution. At a certain point, a species evolves the ability to intellectually expand. We are the only species on this planet to have evolved that capability.

Alternately (and non-scientfically) the ability to intellectually grow is the gift that God gave man and was the specific act created us in His image. Evolution is how we took our physical form. The gift of intellect is our creation.

270 posted on 12/21/2005 9:00:53 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: sandbar
"I (am) assuming that man is the only species that continues to grow intellectually, while other species remain primitive."

Just for reference, the original quote was

"If man evolved from apes, why are apes still here? Wouldn't they all be man?"

Without a doubt, man is a most unique ape when it comes to matters of intellect. I just don't see how humans developing a higher degree of intelligence would make the other apes disappear.

Your point may have just flown over my head. It wouldn't be the first time I missed something obvious.
271 posted on 12/21/2005 9:01:16 AM PST by ndt
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To: Sweetjustusnow
evolution is still "theory" which means it hasn't been proved conclusively and yet any other theory is dismissed. Funny how only one "theory" is considered science and any other theory is not.


But evo is not a cult evo is not a cult...., you are getting very sleepy... your mind is mine... we will pour into your mind all the dogma..,

LOL!

Wolf
272 posted on 12/21/2005 9:02:26 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: The_Victor
If you want to be taken seriously, you might consider dropping the term "Darwin Fundie."

Today's Lesson: IRONY

273 posted on 12/21/2005 9:03:18 AM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Little Ray

and Darwin is not a religious figure.

Touche on that bit of sarcasm.

Wolf


274 posted on 12/21/2005 9:04:16 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Strategerist
RELATED - two different evolutionary branches, with a common ancestor at some point, of course.

That is a statement of faith, not science.

275 posted on 12/21/2005 9:05:40 AM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: ndt
"With regard to science, yes.... Life in general, on the other hand, is another question."

I don't agree. You should always be able to provide a rational explanation for "why". If you can't it suggests you are arguing dogma.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I'd just as soon rely on appeal to authority on that one. Even if there were scientific evidence against it, I wouldn't want to live any other way. If that's dogma, so be it.

276 posted on 12/21/2005 9:06:10 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: ClearCase_guy
If a paleontologist tells me that archeopteryx had colorful plumage, I am unconvinced.

I have been looking at the pictures of the latest fossils and they might be wrong on many levels. I've been looking at the bone impressions and what they say are feathers.

Also with 3D computer imaging and laser technology a phony could be burned into some fro relatively cheap.

Wolf
277 posted on 12/21/2005 9:07:51 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I'd like to know how something can be "related" to another biologically without in some way "descending" from it.

Many people are related to their cousins, but not descended from them. Further back in time there was a common ancestor to be "descended" from, but two creatures can be related without one being descended from the other.

278 posted on 12/21/2005 9:07:58 AM PST by bobhoskins (?)
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To: sandbar
Why do HUMANS and no other creature CONTINUE to grow intellectually, while other species remain just as primitive as they were 1,000,000 years ago?

Well, the answer is that it's more complicated than that. Human brains are big, but they haven't gotten any bigger in a long time, because if they were bigger, infants' skulls couldn't fit through a woman's pelvis. And women can't have significantly larger pelvises and still be able to walk bipedally. Now that may no longer be the case given the widespread availability of caeasarian sections, but we'll see.

Having a large brain is always a trade-off -- with only a limited amount of body mass available, you have to allocate a certain percentage to the digestive system, to muscle mass, etc. These percentages go up and down in response to selective pressures.

279 posted on 12/21/2005 9:09:38 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Publius6961
//The supporters of the perverts invented argument by ad hominem.//

Wow, thats an understatement by orders of magnitude.

Wolf
280 posted on 12/21/2005 9:09:57 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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