Posted on 10/15/2005 10:30:55 AM PDT by sageb1
TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) - Police used tear gas to break up a rock-throwing crowd that had gathered to protest a planned march Saturday by the National Socialist Movement.
At least two dozen members of a Roanoke, Va.-based group that calls itself "America's Nazi Party" had gathered at Wilson Park just before noon and were to march under police protection.
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Chomsky isn't right about much, but he is right about that. I will also admit there are times when I wonder if we are being led into a Christian v Muslim trap.
Trust me...I know. We had the LA riots years ago. It's NOT something I'd wish on anyone.
I guess, truth be known, you'd expect it less in Ohio than a large city.
I'll be quiet now. :)
Did you see post 754? Seems Mr Szych and his family are inciters. An article that I didn't post said he brandished a gun at grade school/middle school kids and the police took it away.
No, it's not.
Are you still in Toledo?
How different this story would have been if the blacks had stood en mass stone faced and silent against the Nazis?
These thugs and criminals were the types that Hitler enlisted for his Stormtroopers. Color makes no difference.
I bet not one of them had the remotest idea of how close their hate is to that of the Nazis.
Rioters...shoot to kill.
We will hear NO denunciation of these thugs by Farrakhan, Jackoff, sharpton. Too bad Cindy Al Sheehani was not there.
Did you not like your own words repeated back to you?
Why question my rationality, then clip an article from a paper?
The Nazis have a right to assemble for legal purposes regardless of motivation(limited only in extreme cases).
Others have an obligation to allow them to do so. (Limited to even more extreme conditions).
None of those conditions were met in this case.
You have not clarified in the tiniest bit why you think it is acceptable to expect people of a certain ethnic background to not conform to the same responsibilities as the rest of us in this society.
Don't clip an article. Don't name call. Support your statements.
The evil Nazis did not cause the riots. The expectation - and almost acceptance - that blacks would riot - rather than obey the law and allow a peaceful rally to occur - is what caused the riots. Listen to the spin - people discussing "who was responsible for the riots" - as if there is some complexity here. There is no complexity. The rioters are responsible for the riots.
The issue is implanting in their minds that they are responsible for their actions. Part of that is reminding everyone else that no one is responsible for these people's actions but themselves. We need to expect better.
Expecting better may not be rational, but it is the right thing to do.
"And groups like the neo-nazis are worthless idiots that spout hate but so do a lot of other groups in this country but IMO we can't go around shooting them all or disbanding them because of what they 'think' or even say."
As far as the above statement is concerned, and another like it somewhere in this thread, there were many folks of the same mindset in Europe, etc., during the 1930's.
I am stunned by the lack of accountability toward the Nazi's on this thread, the pass they've been given in that it's all the ignorant black New Orleans-like gang members' fault. I'm reminded of the time a bunch of us were standing around chatting, we all turned in unison to the sound of the ping of something connecting to metal. It was little Frederick's head against a support pole. My darling little boy stood there, smoking mad, obviously the culprit. I felt I had to reprimand him. Until he said, quietly, "He pushed me." My point is not that my son was right, but that there were two at fault.
I never thought I'd see an American give Nazis a right to free speech. I sure didn't think I'd see it here at Free Republic.
Damn, how did they let this happen? Oh well, it is over now.
Does this mean that Toledo gets FEMA money?
Oh my God I almost forgot that!
I'm still sleepy here but I remember hearing somebody, later identified as a local council something, giving a narrative, saying he was driving through the neighborhood, giving street names, saying how quiet it all was. When, again, before my lying eyeballs I'm seeing this looting and flames shooting out of a building.
Again, we have pure chaos and anarchy going on before our disbelieving eyeballs, gangs of thugs going into what appeared to be private homes, certainly it was obvious it wasn't THEIR home. At one point two people from within a home broken in this way ran out! I see buildings erupting in flames, I see this scene with looters ramming the back of a building with a board, other looters throwing stuff out from within.
I mean, hey, they might have been sleepy but I GOT EYEBALLS!
Then there's this man reporting over a cell phone I suppose about how calm everything was, the serenity would like to kill ya. Then the camera spans over to those cops all standing around, not busy at all, tra la la.
Lookit, it really unfolded before my lying eyeballs this wall and I had no idea what the hell was going on. I have no conspiracy theories to express because I don't think there was a conspiracy going on. I did hear the Fox anchor say something about cops not responding because they wanted to let the rioters act it out, something like that.
Not saying I believed it or disbelieved it. If someone held a gun to my head and demanded my theory, I'd suggest that those cops strolling around as buildings burned and people fled their own homes, well I'd go with Occam's razor. The narrator, I forget who by this time, said the cops strolling about were about three blocks away. So I'm thinking those cops didn't even know all that stuff was going on three blocks away.
Remember the helicoptor had the advantage of having an overview of the entire area. Those cops were down at street level. At some point, and not really that long thereafter, those cops DID start marching in the direction of the rioting and marched with an obvious purpose. I'd guess it wasn't more than fifteen minutes and that's at the outside as I remember in my sleepy state, that the cops starting moving after the rioting began. Again, Occam's Razor, I'm thinking they probably didn't get their marching order over the radio waves till then. You know the sargeant calls the loot calls the mayor, heck, ten minutes or so probably about normal before the BIG word went out.
Fifteen minutes isn't really all that time to let the rioters "act it out" or whatever noble reasons apply. Nah, I think it was probably a more normal sequence of events as reality would have it. It was the helicoptor's perspective that made it surreal.
I demand the right to be wrong about all the above. Just my eyeballs reporting after all. Just now, it's speculation. I am still baffled.
Hopefully, they arrest the dingbats who started it.
You are correct that the NY Slimes re-reported and re-re-re-repackaged the AbuGhraib stuff ad nauseum.. And the Boston Diocease/Priest scandals... One would think they had an agenda, eh? Seems that you are telling me that The Blade is no better. That's sad. Once upon a time it was worth reading. But the Peach Section was really peach back then ;-)(Assuming that there still IS a Peach Section... )
Oh come on. Surely there are others old enough to remember a peach Peach Section... I can't be the last remaining .... Hello, is anybody out there...
I did. Evidently you didn't read it. There's more going on here than you think. I never said the rioters were anything other than criminals. Ever. But this situation isn't as simple as you'd like to make it. An article I couldn't post here said the FBI requested a letter that the nazis sent Mr Szych. You need to Google the guy and read more. This didn't start with the nazis. It started with Mr Szych.
What those photos say to me...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1471766/posts?page=7045#7045
The peach section is still there. A lot of the paper is still OK -- and that goes for a lot of papers I think. They are still OK for the most part, but what goes on editorially on the supposedly hard-news front page and in the editorials pretty much ruins the paper. Some days it seems like the front page HAS become the editorial page. You literally can't tell the difference anymore.
I can't get over anyone thinking that it's ok for nazis to showup to "correct" a neighborhood problem. Especially when the jury is still out on who the problem is.
It doesn't seem like there is a side to cheer for in this thing. Obviously neo nazis are getting no sympathy. But the riot that ensued has no excuse and seems to involve gang members. It seems to me violent gangs are at least as dangerous as neo nazis in the present day.
Nice, except the "neo-nazis" haven't done anything, in terms of violence, to compare with criminal gangs. Every time the "nazis" do anything remotely violent (or merely threaten it), the federal government and media are all over them, whereas the criminal gangs commit violent crimes every day, and except when a big riot like this breaks out, the media pretends "nothing is happening" and the federal government is uninterested.
Seriously, how many people have been killed by actual, organized "neo-nazis" in the USA in the last twenty years? Two? Three? Four people, maybe? A dozen, if we are being generous? If you stretch the definition of "neo-nazi" beyond actual nazis to just anyone whose politics you don't like, who were not even affiliated with anyone (for instance Timothy McVeigh, who wasn't a nazi or racist in spite of what the media tries to imply) you still don't have a body count even close to the thousands murdered every year by criminal gangs. But since these gangs are mostly "minority" the media don't want to talk about it, instead they like to shout "look! look! lookatthenazioverthere!" even though the nazis in question are entirely marginal and no one would even notice them if the media didn't constantly harp on them.
In addition to the media, we have leftist losers who desperately need the neo-nazis to exist, in order to justify their own existence. They desparately need the "nazis" around in order to justify their own leftist calls to violence. Where would they be without the nazis to beat up on? Since their own politics have so obviously failed, they need a nazi strawman to beat up on and to justify their pathetic failed existence.
I read post 754 and it helps shed a light on the subject
I gotcha. And yes, I'm sure that there was some of that, but I would attribute that type of thinking to those over 30. I'm not sure the kids ever get past the general feeling of hate.
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