Posted on 02/11/2005 9:43:07 AM PST by robowombat
Teacher Charged With Having Sex With 13-Year-Old Student
Wednesday, Feb. 9, 2005 McMINNVILLE, Tenn. - An elementary school teacher has been charged with having sex with one of her students, a 13-year-old boy, at his home and at school, authorities said Tuesday.
Pamela Turner, 27, was charged Monday with 15 counts of sexual battery by an authority figure and 13 counts of statutory rape for acts between November and January. Story Continues Below
Turner, who teaches physical education at Centertown Elementary, lived at the boy's house "for a brief period of time when she was moving from residence to residence," Warren County prosecutor Dale Potter said. The boy's parents did not know anything about the relationship, he said. Potter said Turner was arrested Monday in Clarkrange, her hometown about 55 miles northeast of McMinnville in central Tennessee.
Conviction on all counts could be punished by up to 100 years in prison. But Potter said it was more likely that a conviction would mean a minimum of a year to several years in prison.
Turner is free on $50,000 bond. She's been placed on leave by the school system.
A telephone message left at the home of her father, who lives in Clarkrange, was not immediately returned Tuesday evening.
Turner's husband filed for divorce in January, alleging inappropriate marital conduct, according to the Southern Standard newspaper in McMinnville.
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You are completely right - I have explicitly said that males are not slaves to their sexual instincts.
These instincts I am describing aren't for the best. The truth is, while most males of all ages have the instincts I am talking about, very very few act upon them constantly and consistently - their lives would be a disaster if they did.
Your view is not inconsistent with my view - in fact, it compliments it. But I do think that the male instincts on balance are refined by the presence of women in their lives, for the reasons I have stated. And I think that's a very good thing.
PS - as far as you knowing many men who are not even tempted to enjoy carnal sex with women they don't love (or even like, or even know), my gut tells me that either they are overstating their lack of temptation, or that you are misreading their instincts (not their character), or a combination of the two (and maybe something else).
What we think is a matter of instinct. What we do is a matter of character, morals, etc.
My instinct may be to find a particular woman I encounter very attractive - my character is to not act on that instinct (it would disrupt my important monogamous relationship, as well as hurt her, and I don't want to do either), and further not even to share my instinct with my romantic interest (Whoa, honey, did you see that chick? Man, I'd like to take her for a test drive, know what I mean??) That too would hurt or alienate her, and I don't want to harm someone I have romantic affection for.
So yes, that instinct is there, and nope, it's not a license to act in an uncivil way.
Anything less would be, literally, uncivilized.
The instincts I am describing are not a license for men to be rude, crude, offensive, nor seriously endorse deviant sexual behavior.
** As long as some people recognize that.
Of course - I have been explicit on that from the get-go.
This all boils down to being adult, even if he was already sexually active, WHEN you are the teacher and even if he made the first pass, you know how to handle it and END the situation. I realize men feel they have to play the macho game and make sexual jokes, but this is not funny and it makes my blood boil. I worked very hard to screen and protect my four kids, i hope i succeeded.
I agree with you, and adults should be adults. Good luck on the kids!
No wonder.
We aren't too off base with one another...however, the main reason you refrain from acting "carnally" as we have deemed it, is only because you don't want to hurt your significant other or jeopardize your relationship. But, if she would never, ever find out, thus she would not be hurt nor would your relationship be jeopardized, would you do it? That, to me, is the fundamental question of character.
And isn't totally possible that the men I know are neither understating their desire nor am I misreading them? Maybe they just aren't satisified by empty sex. This is possible you know! Just because you can't fathom it does not mean it is unfathomable:)
Haha, indeed.
Instead, let us just join in a round of Van Halen:
I've got it bad, bad, bad, I'M HOT FOR TEACHER!!!!
Is this the new NEA strategy to fight home-schooling?
No wonder.
Incase you couldn’t tell, half is just guys being goofy.
And you haven’t added anything “serious” to our conversation other than demonstrating that it’s possible to be here 5 month without learning what happens when you click on a freezer’s name. But you picked up name calling real quick like. You’re a learner!
Yes, I would refrain from such conduct even if there was no chance it would harm my love interest. I say so because I think the conduct is wrong, and also because I think the relationship is harmed (on my end) even if she never finds out.
My ability to be the type of romantic partner I want to be would be undermined by any illicit behavior like that.
As for the men in your life, honestly I did consider what you are saying and discounted it as fairly silly: I'm distinguishing from the instinct (which I do maintain is going to usually be present) and conduct (which is tempered).
I think you are acurately describing their conduct and articulated outlook, but are not offering much genuine insight into their instincts. As to why, I can't say.
The idea that the typical male would not instincively respond well to the prospect of sex with attractive, fit, beautiful, and willing young women is science fiction.
I don't doubt that most men temper their instincts, and ultimately become more domesticated to the idea that would rather have a more fulfilling and extended sexual relationship rather than a fleeting one, for all sorts of reasons.
That being said, the appeal of an uncomplicated, uncostly, unemotional, and uncluttered sexual adventure with a young, fit, attractive, goodlooking, leggy woman is very strong in most males.
If you don't agree, then I think the odds are higher that you are misreading the landscape, rather than I am misreading the landscape.
Trust me, I know that most men would jump at the chance. My point is that there are a few that would not--a few that find sex with a woman they love far more satisfying. But as far as being able to offer more insight into their instincts, alas, I am a 24 year old woman who has yet to understand the male species--and never will. What better a topic on V-Day?
To add undue gravity to the jokes, to not give due credit to the more sincere thoughts, and most importantly exhibiting the chronic inability to distingish beteween the two, may not be a huge moral failing, but I assure you it will make you a dud at parties.
Well said.
I think that in the long run, most men find sex with a woman they share an emotional bond with much more satisfying. It's just that the hardwired instinct pretty much only looks at things in the short term.
If most men acted on their base instincts, it would be a disaster. Most men don't, and that's a good thing. But that instinct is still there.
Let me give you a quick illustration, and I think if people are honest most will agree its veracity.
Consider an attractive woman, and by that I mean looks like the commonly accepted standard of good looks - fit, leggy, buxom, pleasing features, etc (like the accused woman in the case we are talking about).
Lets say I have a non-sexual relationship with her - we work together and only casually know each other. Lets say I am talking with her in her office and conversation steers to a hobby of mine, and she is surprised since the hobby has a direct application to an item she has that needs repair.
"Oh wow, that's great! Could you do me a favor and look at something for me?"
Sure, I might say, since I am a helpful little fellow, especially to attractive women.
She then leans over in a pose that flatters her well shaped rear end and looks for an item in her office cabinet. As she looks (all of a few seconds) she says, "Oh, if you could fix this it would really help me out! My boyfriend tried to take care of it, but he just isn't very good with his hands."
OK, similarities to dumb scenes you might see on Threes Company and on Cinemax aside, most men (and I mean in the high 90%+) will immediately, instinctively think about sex. The fact that we have no emotional bond with her, barely know her, and even if we strongly dislike her as a person, has no bearing on the matter at that point.
That's not immature (lingering on it for more than an instant, or acting upon it unduly and rudely could be immature or even worse).
My instinct has nothing to do with my respect for my love interest, or somehow debasing the young lady who suddenly became the source of a sexual thought in my mind.
The truth is, while such remarks could certainly be meant provocatively, it's not uncommon for a woman to innocently create that type of scene for the typical male with no sexual component or agenda whatsoever on her end.
And yes, if you create the same scene with the same dialogue and instead of a fit, goodlooking woman, it's somebody's grandmother, then for most men, the sexual instinct would not kick in.
That's because as men, we want to have lots of sex with lots of good looking women very often.
It isn't rocket science, really.
PS - If anyone out there is thinking that this example I gave might have really happened to me, you just might be right.
It's just the truth!
"The fact that we have no emotional bond with her, barely know her, and even if we strongly dislike her as a person, has no bearing on the matter at that point. "
You could strongly dislike her and that would have NO effect on your attraction to her? Wow! Well, it is painfully obvious how different males and females think.
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