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CBS Fires Mapes
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Posted on 01/10/2005 7:02:45 AM PST by 1Old Pro

Report just issues, mapes finally fired


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To: 1Old Pro

Didn't Rather's daughter have a hand in this one? Why is her name not mentioned?


221 posted on 01/10/2005 8:16:10 AM PST by blackdog (Demorat Politician = Those in power who manipulate tribal hatreds for personal gain.)
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To: onyx
First, Colonel Hackworth concluded that the documents were “genuine.” He reached this conclusion by relating his own experience at the Pentagon during the Vietnam War when he was running the “Army input system for . . . basic training.” Colonel Hackworth said that, while in that post, he received and refused requests by members of Congress and generals to assign certain men to particular units and wrote “cover my own butt” memoranda in many cases to document his refusals. Colonel Hackworth then concluded that Lieutenant Colonel Killian was “in the same kind of pickle that I found myself in” and proceeded to discuss what Lieutenant Colonel Killian was thinking at the time he wrote the memoranda. Rather asked Colonel Hackworth whether there was any doubt in his mind that the documents were real, and Colonel Hackworth replied, “Having been down that road before I would say that these are genuine documents.”

Second, Colonel Hackworth concluded that, by not taking his physical, then-Lieutenant Bush was “insubordinate” and would have been treated more harshly had he been “an unconnected Lieutenant.”

Third, Colonel Hackworth stated repeatedly throughout his interview that then-Lieutenant Bush was “AWOL” and that a person would have to reach that conclusion when reviewing the documents “unless you’re the village idiot.” Colonel Hackworth appeared to be referring to the fact that he had seen no evidence that President Bush was “present for duty” once he left for Alabama in 1972, although he did not articulate clearly how he reached his conclusion. Finally, Colonel Hackworth concluded that “the bottom line here is – is the abuse of power.” He said that “[I]t’s how people up at the top can . . . lean on the little people.”

Rather thought Colonel Hackworth was a “strong and valuable expert witness.” Mapes also believed that Colonel Hackworth was important for the Segment and included excerpts of his interview in early drafts of the September 8 Segment script. These excerpts were ultimately cut from the final script by Heyward and West.

222 posted on 01/10/2005 8:16:16 AM PST by Petronski (I'm *not* always cranky.)
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To: Mo1
I have read over 150 posts and no one has asked the most important question of the entire scandal.

Where did the fake memos come from?

223 posted on 01/10/2005 8:17:56 AM PST by Lowcountry (RIP: Peterdanbrokaw)
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To: maryz

Yes, there is no doubt whatsoever that there was collusion between SeeBS and the Kerry campaign. This was a political hit piece, designed to undermine support for Bush, and allow Kerry to pounce on Bush's military record because he was getting killed by the Swift Vets on his own. I am sure, that at some point, this 60 Minutes II team and reps from the Kerry campaign discussed how to disseminate it. We'll probably never know the truth, but the documents were probably supplied to Burke (the crazy national gaurd guy--whatever his name is) by the Kerry campaign, who then called SeeBS (who was expecting the call) and the rest is history. The timing was such that they thought they could let it out there and let it do it's damage before it was ever discovered that it was fake. It ended up blowing up in their faces, and the fact that See BS faked it became a much bigger story than the original topic of Bush's guard duty. I still maintain that this story, and the using of Burke (?) was cooked up all at the same time. Burke was a convenient middle man because he isn't very stable, and hates Bush, and his mysterious acquisition of the documents 'cleaned' the Kerry campaign and SeeBS of criminal wrong-doing. SeeBS could easily just say that Burke called them and they reported what was given to them, but their zeal to get it on the air gives the lie away that this was always an inside deal. The Kerry campaign and SeeBS were well coordinated on this story, and if it hadn't been laid bare as quickly as it was, I think the two would have been caught red-handed in bed together.


224 posted on 01/10/2005 8:18:16 AM PST by Space Wrangler
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To: Petronski

I am FURIOUS.
I think I've read that portion 12 times now and
I cannot seem to stop rereading it!


225 posted on 01/10/2005 8:18:21 AM PST by onyx
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To: beyond the sea

There is no doubt in my mind that Robin Rather was part of this as well.

226 posted on 01/10/2005 8:18:43 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: All

From the TOC, all you need to know about the thickness of the whitewash:

B. Factors that Support a Conclusion that a Political Agenda Did Not Motivate the September 8 Segment...........................................................................................214

1. The Previous Work of Rather and Mapes............................................................214

2. The Editing Process Added Balance....................................................................215

3. Assuming the Killian Documents Were Authentic, They Added New Data to the Bush TexANG Record...............................................................................216

I especially enjoy #3. "Well, if the Moon really was made of green cheese, it would add new data..."

I wonder if Art Bell has contacted BSNews about the Rather job. Seems like he'd fit right in.

 

 

227 posted on 01/10/2005 8:18:52 AM PST by timpad (The Wizard Tim - Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade, Finder of Obscurata)
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To: Lowcountry


Germany.


228 posted on 01/10/2005 8:18:57 AM PST by onyx
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To: RushCrush

"Wonder what the DUmmies are saying....anyone willing to venture over?"

DUmies are saying it is a message to journalists everywhere. Other than that, not much.





229 posted on 01/10/2005 8:19:35 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 votes and the world changes.)
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To: 1Old Pro

You speak the truth.


230 posted on 01/10/2005 8:20:25 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("I speak Spanish to God, French to women, English to men, and Japanese to my horse."-Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: onyx

The part that I put in red discredits everything else, including the bit about him authenticating the memos. Did Hackworth SEE the memos he was authenticating, for example, or were they read to him?


231 posted on 01/10/2005 8:20:27 AM PST by Petronski (I'm *not* always cranky.)
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To: SkyPilot

OMG!
Tell me that pic has been photo shopped.
She cant' possibly be THAT hideous, can she?
No doubt about who's her daddy...lol.


232 posted on 01/10/2005 8:20:36 AM PST by onyx
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To: RushCrush

"Wonder what the DUmmies are saying....anyone willing to venture over?"

DUmies are saying it is a message to journalists everywhere. Other than that, not much.

By the way, they locked the topic. Probably in mourning for poor Mary. The Republican hit squad at work.





233 posted on 01/10/2005 8:20:37 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 votes and the world changes.)
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To: Petronski

It looks like Col Hackworth fried his own reputation as well for defending CBS.


234 posted on 01/10/2005 8:20:43 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Mo1
They DID have it and they DID air it

The "Fortunate Son" ad. They ran it anyway, even though the story had totally blown up in all (CBS, DNC, NYT, etc.) their faces. They were still convinced that they could ride it out, paint us and everyone else exposing the forgeries as a bunch of right-wing fanatics, and therefore make us go away.

Thing is, just like the democrats, CBS was still stuck in the 60's and 70's, when we all believed everything Uncle Walter said as the truth, because that's all we got. That miscalculation was probably the biggest mistake in the history of CBS News. Their TANG story was in shreds practically before it aired, and they didn't see it. Their decision to go ahead and run the "Fortunate Son" ad despite this did nothing but expose the coordination between CBS and the DNC to the entire world.

235 posted on 01/10/2005 8:20:45 AM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: prairiebreeze
:^)

236 posted on 01/10/2005 8:22:29 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: onyx
No--not photoshopped, that is Rather's activist daughter.

She is heavily involved in Democrat party fundraisers and activities (but her "professionalism as a journalist") does not allow her objectivity to be clouded....don't cha know.

237 posted on 01/10/2005 8:23:19 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Redbob

IBM Selectrics did not have proportional spacing, they had a choice of 10 or 12 pitch spacing but it was uniform. The only typewriter I have ever heard of that could do proportional spacing (and it was a very crude form, not perfect like computers now do) was the IBM Executive. I do not know the cost of each back then, or when the Executive came out (it used traditional mechanical technology so it could have been made as early as the 1920's if it had been thought of, but I think it came out in the late 60's where as the Selectric was a complete revolution to the typewriter and did not come out until the 70's I believe)but it was very unlikely that a national guard unit would have an Executive (Executives are rare! Selectrics, while expensive until computers became common, were and are very common...)


238 posted on 01/10/2005 8:23:28 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: prairiebreeze
haha! :^D

239 posted on 01/10/2005 8:23:32 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: 1Old Pro

This feminist partisan RAT spent five years trying to damage George Bush with this story. She had a good job but became obsessed. Adios, Mary.


240 posted on 01/10/2005 8:24:40 AM PST by doug from upland (THE RED STATES - celebrate a great American tradition)
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