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Minnesotans Against Smoking Bans ^ | 1-8-05 | Robert Hayes Halfpenny

Posted on 01/08/2005 9:20:21 AM PST by SheLion

I am surprised Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson didn’t refer to the smokers as swine in a pig sty. Isn’t that, after all one of the one of the first images that comes to mind when think of a pen?  Before I am offended by “da mayor” I would have to be offended by the reference to the term smoking pens. In a city and state  that was founded by a group of people so seriously reviled for their own beliefs in years past, you would think they would be among the first to take a “live and let live” attitude about the behavior and choices of others. Clearly the past lessons learned about intolerance by the Mormons must now have been forgotten.

Only 88 airports nationwide is hardly a mandate to make one’s own airport smoke free. Furthermore if these “smoking kiosks” are eliminated it will only cause people to find other places to smoke. Delta Airlines is correct in standing behind the rights of the smokers.  Perhaps they have taken note that incidence of “air rage” only became prevalent AFTER smoking was banned on aircraft. It should also be noted that since the ban, they no longer use fresh air to ventilate the planes; instead, they just run the air through a filtrations system which in an enclosed environment further exacerbates the problem.

Mayor Anderson’s pompous arrogance in stating that the ban will help smokers to “break the habit” is outrageous. It is not his job to be neither a social engineer nor the arbiter of personal choices. I do know however, that as long as Salt Lake City and Utah continue down this Draconian path of heavy handed intolerance, I will avoid their state in very way possible. I will not travel to it, I will not travel thru it, and I will not support my company scheduling a convention there.

BANS ARE BAD! Read it again, BANS ARE BAD! Banning blacks from white facilities---BAD! Banning books---BAD! Banning Beer---Bad! If the people of Utah agree that these bans are bad, then they must also agree that banning smoking is also BAD! I would certainly hope at this juncture they are starting to realize that any action, that would favor a smoking ban of any type, will only create far more harm than good. IN all fairness I should note their may be one kind of good ban. That of course would be banning Mayor Anderson from further political office at the next election.   


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Minnesota; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: addiction; addicts; antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; fda; individualliberty; lawmakers; maine; niconazis; professional; prohibitionists; propaganda; pufflist; regulation; rinos; rockyanderson; senate; slc; smoking; taxes; tobacco
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To: Incandesia

Welcome to the puff list----it's fun to be with like-minded souls!


581 posted on 01/09/2005 10:56:15 AM PST by Mears
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To: Mears

I wonder if/when my addiction to online political debate will get me five to ten in the slammer.

Only if I do it from the right, I guess.


582 posted on 01/09/2005 10:56:35 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg; SheLion

I know what you're talking about....but I don't believe you are actually smoking any less than you did with the store boughts. You are just burning them less.

I found the exact same thing when I first started smoking RYOs........I go through less than a pack, usually less than half a pack a day, unless I'm out. And that was doing the exact same things I was doing with the store boughts, but I have been known to go through more than 2 packs a day of those.

There are none of the additives in the RYO tobacco that are found in the store boughts.....particularly the additives that cause them to burn faster. It really has nothing to do with the nicotine contact as far as I have been able to determine.


583 posted on 01/09/2005 10:57:03 AM PST by Gabz
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To: SheLion

In most of the country liberals treat alcoholics and drug addicts and other bums as victims. But smokers (those who are mostly addicted to tobacco) are treated as criminals.


584 posted on 01/09/2005 10:58:22 AM PST by ampat
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To: RandallFlagg

I never even though of walking around with an unlit cig in a mall----Thanks for the suggestion---drive the antis nuts!


585 posted on 01/09/2005 11:00:25 AM PST by Mears
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To: RandallFlagg

I've noticed the same thing since I've begun rolling my own. I smoke less, and I can go for a much longer time without a smoke now. I think the pre-made cigs have something loose tobacco doesn't have. I simply don't get that physical "I need a cig" feeling I used to get.


586 posted on 01/09/2005 11:00:33 AM PST by Annie03
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To: exnavychick

The problem is that when someone pushes you to quit and demonises you for being a smoker it turns you into an "in your face" smoker" IMHO.

That's how I feel----I'm becoming a rebel for the first time in my life and I kind of like it.


587 posted on 01/09/2005 11:04:44 AM PST by Mears
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To: Gabz; Annie03
It's just that I'll put one out, go about what I'm doing, then go to grab another one and put it away. The need for another one isn't immediate. And if I happen to glance at a clock, I'm amazed that hours have passed before I even think about it.

But with a Marlboro, half the pack would be gone in seven hours.
Just an odd thing I've noticed.
588 posted on 01/09/2005 11:05:08 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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WOO-HOO! Another "Puff List" ping!!

See y'all there!!


589 posted on 01/09/2005 11:07:41 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: Mears

All about you, is it? The comparison of coffee and tobacco is not relevant to banning smoking.


590 posted on 01/09/2005 11:08:56 AM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: WildTurkey

Good Lord,are you still here?


591 posted on 01/09/2005 11:09:07 AM PST by Mears
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To: RandallFlagg

That's what I meant, that urge to have one after the other isn't there. I used to be able to go through a carton in less than a week....now its closer to two weeks.


592 posted on 01/09/2005 11:09:19 AM PST by Annie03
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To: SheLion

I remember one anti telling me that my late father-in-law, and subsequently my late mother-in=law should have rejected his pension checks because PM bought out General Foods.

My husband's dad worked for GF for more than 30 years, and retired long before PM bought it out, yet these yahoos actually believed he should reject that which he rightfully earned, all because of the buyout by another company.

I don't boycott all PM products......just their tobacco products. The infrastructure of the company is such that the food division actually has it's own government relations and PR divison that is 100% seperate from the tobacco side. As a lobbyist I actually saw both sides at loggerheads with each other over numerous pieces of legislation. It was actually rather amusing.

I don't want to see PM fold....I just want to see them out of the tobacco business.


593 posted on 01/09/2005 11:10:57 AM PST by Gabz
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To: SheLion

OK. That helps. At least I don't feel as ignorant as I did before, anyway. :)


594 posted on 01/09/2005 11:11:53 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart.)
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To: Annie03

Well, I haven't gotten flamed yet, so at least I didn't offend anyone! :) LOL


595 posted on 01/09/2005 11:12:43 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart.)
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To: Mears

"I am also addicted(and I'll admit it) to coffee----Is that acceptable or unacceptable?"

There are people who call caffeine a "drug", and (like the anti's) put that in the same catagory as heroine and alcohol addiction. (Hope you don't put sugar in that coffee either). I long ago threw up my hands and decided to live my life and stop listening to the din of the endless things that are "bad" for me.



596 posted on 01/09/2005 11:12:54 AM PST by Annie03
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To: Gabz

It's annoying that they get as much traction as they do on this, given all that.

I almost find it funny...these guys act surprised that people are fighting back against having their rights infringed upon. Geesh.


597 posted on 01/09/2005 11:14:03 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart.)
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To: RandallFlagg
Interesting thoughts you posted. Tobacco companies do load up their products with all sorts of adulterations, and the consuming public ultimately votes with its pocketbook regarding content.

You would think an enlightened and rational and responsible and consent-driven people would want to know all the ramifications of their freewill choices in order to be real champions of choice, albeit harmful ones. But a person cannot validly consent to ignorance or to personal harm or to the shirking of personal responsibility.

598 posted on 01/09/2005 11:15:52 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: RandallFlagg

A gator-freighter, huh? LOL My oldest son's father was on the Guam for a tour...he complained about how old the ship was...they had serious problems with their boilers. I never got to serve on a ship, though. I had orders to the Kennedy, but they switched them to a joint tour instead, and then I ended up overseas.

Ah well. So, a BM...no wonder I like you. :)


599 posted on 01/09/2005 11:15:58 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart.)
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To: Annie03; exnavychick
I spent hours reading a 900+ thread about divorce a few days ago.

I remember that thread well!!!! Thank you for reminding me.

I need to amend my earlier comment....not only am I a bad parent with no morals/values because my child is in public school and a bad person with no morals/values because I support a business owner choice to cater to smokers, but I am also an adultress with no morals/values because I am divorced and now remarried.

Sheesh.....at the rate things are going around here I'll be condemned to the fires of hades long before I'm even in a grave.

600 posted on 01/09/2005 11:16:18 AM PST by Gabz
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