Posted on 01/08/2005 9:20:21 AM PST by SheLion
I am surprised Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson didn’t refer to the smokers as swine in a pig sty. Isn’t that, after all one of the one of the first images that comes to mind when think of a pen? Before I am offended by “da mayor” I would have to be offended by the reference to the term smoking pens. In a city and state that was founded by a group of people so seriously reviled for their own beliefs in years past, you would think they would be among the first to take a “live and let live” attitude about the behavior and choices of others. Clearly the past lessons learned about intolerance by the Mormons must now have been forgotten.
Only 88 airports nationwide is hardly a mandate to make one’s own airport smoke free. Furthermore if these “smoking kiosks” are eliminated it will only cause people to find other places to smoke. Delta Airlines is correct in standing behind the rights of the smokers. Perhaps they have taken note that incidence of “air rage” only became prevalent AFTER smoking was banned on aircraft. It should also be noted that since the ban, they no longer use fresh air to ventilate the planes; instead, they just run the air through a filtrations system which in an enclosed environment further exacerbates the problem.
Mayor Anderson’s pompous arrogance in stating that the ban will help smokers to “break the habit” is outrageous. It is not his job to be neither a social engineer nor the arbiter of personal choices. I do know however, that as long as Salt Lake City and Utah continue down this Draconian path of heavy handed intolerance, I will avoid their state in very way possible. I will not travel to it, I will not travel thru it, and I will not support my company scheduling a convention there.
BANS ARE BAD! Read it again, BANS ARE BAD! Banning blacks from white facilities---BAD! Banning books---BAD! Banning Beer---Bad! If the people of Utah agree that these bans are bad, then they must also agree that banning smoking is also BAD! I would certainly hope at this juncture they are starting to realize that any action, that would favor a smoking ban of any type, will only create far more harm than good. IN all fairness I should note their may be one kind of good ban. That of course would be banning Mayor Anderson from further political office at the next election.
Each state is different regarding the taxes on various tobacco products (OTP) but there are both federal and state taxes on the loose tobacco, it is just not as onerous or obvious as the taxes on cigarettes.
I don't like your attitute. Please leave me alone and don't post to me anymore.
Well, it's a 6 oz bag of tobacco for $5.85. Are you saying the actual bag of tobacco cost only $1.50? LOL
You know, I ask a question and comment about a lie in the author's article and I am called a clown, a reformed prostitute and a snot nosed kid who may have poked animals and all I respond with is that there may be an irritated smoker doing this and I am evil? I don't think so. It must be that I have hit a sore spot in that the author has been exposed as a fraud and a liar.
LOL!!!!!!!!
Absolutely not..........the taxes on OTP (other tobacco products) are vastly different and vastly lower, than those on cigarettes, but there are taxes on them.
And believe it or not, by buying certain loose tobaccos you are also paying into the MSA. I can't think of the specific product name, but it is one of the loose tobaccos that come in a can.....it is manufactured by B&W, which is one of the signators of the MSA.
Sounds like you got the best of her--wore her out. LOL!
You never DID like my attitude. Why should THAT change.
But, you come into a thread where I am at, and I am allowed to respond to anything you say. So don't be such a cry baby.
If you can't take it, don't come into the smoking threads.
I have noticed a rather sharp uptick in the rhetoric around here lately. I think that the so-called moral majority (who the heck are they, really?) are really feeling their oats since the election. With all those exit polls stating that a lot of folks based their vote for Bush on "values"--a nicely vague term, btw, it seems they now think they have a license to lord it over everyone else, including other conservatives who don't fit their mold. Another poster on a different thread the other day actually said that the base deserved special consideration...and we complain about the Dems pandering to their base! For good reason, look what has happened to their party as a result! It doesn't even remotely resemble the party of FDR, Truman and JFK. Those were liberals and Democrats you could admire, at least politically.
Another thing is...who decided that they are the base?
They are behaving in the same way as the out-of-control libs and secularists they so despise. They just don't see that they are suffering from the same affliction: the belief that they are right, and anyone who differs from their beliefs is somehow stupid or unworthy. It's sad and depressing. It's good intentions run amok, imo.
Flame away, but keep in mind, I'm not singling anyone out here. :)
Kick your dog much?
You know, you talk about evil, and yet here you are, trying to poke a stick at us. And when we refuse to take it, you 'cry' like a baby.
Do yourself a favor and stay out of the smoker's threads.
Well, I figured I was paying something into the MSA, but it still beats paying $45-$50 a carton. That is outrageous.
Well, monkeywrench, a person can just take so much, you know it? It's a good thing we aren't face-to-face with these idiots. We would probably ALL be in jail. LOL!
Ok. I am sorry. I wasn't specific enough.
Dictionary: Rage - ANGRY violence.
I apologize for leaving the ANGRY out of my statement.
You are right. It IS a big difference and it was careless for me to omit that the author was refering to ANGRY violence.
That's why sometimes I feel like I fell into DU hole right on Free Republic. We have seen this a lot over the past several years (in here).
Really? Well, I've only been here for a couple of months, but it seemed to be a fairly recent pheonomena to me. :) I still think that folks are forgetting that while the election is over, the war of ideas hasn't been won. We shouldn't be eating our own.
"Perhaps they have taken note that incidence of “air rage” only became prevalent AFTER smoking was banned on aircraft."
Interesting. Why are smokers more violent than non-smokers?
Interesting. Why do smokers have more angry violence than non-smokers?
Please note, that in this thread I questioned the validity of the authors statement (in bold above)
OTOH, the author may be correct about the 'angry violence' thing.
Oh yes. The smoking threads bring them out from under their rocks. I have seen newbie's register just so they could get in here and throw daggers at us.
The smoking issue: either love it or hate it. Not much middle ground left anymore.
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