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JANUARY -- NOT CHRISTMAS -- KERRY IN CAMBODIA (More Flip-Flop Spin!)
Drudge Report ^ | 8/12/04 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 08/12/2004 7:13:16 PM PDT by wagglebee

**Exclusive**

TOUR OF DUTY author and John Kerry historian Doug Brinkley is rushing a piece for the NEW YORKER: to set-the-record-straight on Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia tale, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Kerry has turned to author Brinkley for a "modification" after it was exposed that Kerry was not in Cambodia during Christmas of 1968, as he once claimed from the Senate floor.

The Brinkley piece for the NEW YORKER will now say that Kerry was not in Cambodia during Christmas, but rather in January, publishing sources tell DRUDGE.

MORE

Since the early 1970s, Kerry has spoken and written of how he was illegally ordered to enter Cambodia. Kerry mentioned it in the floor of the Senate in 1986 when he charged that President Reagan’s actions in Central America were leading the U.S. in another Vietnam. Here’s what he said as excerpted from the new book, UNFIT FOR COMMAND:

"I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared--seared--in me."

John O’Neil’s, author of UNFIT FOR COMMAND, comments on the “clarification:”

“John Kerry describes Christmas Eve in Cambodia as a critical turning point in his life. We now know that his story is completely false. My question is how many people do you know have invented a turning point, one that is seared in his memory? While it makes sense for John Kerry to come clean about the Cambodia story, it is one of several tales that the Kerry campaign will have to face and clarify.”

“By claiming we were engaged in a war crime and crossing international borders, John Kerry damaged the credibility of all the commanding officers above him and insulted the sailors who served with him,” said John O’Neill, member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.”

Developing...


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To: El Gato
Is it usual for Naval officers to have normal Top Secret clearance with a BI? Secret Agent Kerry probably has this on his website to impress the sheeple into thinking he was special.
321 posted on 08/12/2004 11:12:22 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: JustaCowgirl
ALL HIS LIES NEED TO BE EXPOSED! Not just the whopper about Cambodia.

My angle is finding out exactly when "Cut & Run" Kerry started activities with VVAW. Was he still in the Navy during his time with VVAW? I already thought wearing his uniform was a bit tacky, just when you thought he couldn't go any lower....this FRAUD that the democraps and their water-Kerrying media props up makes me ill.

His bio suggests he completed service around April 1970 and the earliest mention of his involvement is Sept. 1970, although there isn't much until January 1971.

I wanna know what he was doing from April 1969 to his involvement with VVAW, as well as any involvement with the enemy. I am hopeful that the Vietnam Vets Against John Kerry will address Kerry's involvement in POW/MIA Select Committe. I hope more of his anti-vet activities will be exposed.

I think the swiftvets have taken care of his "war years"... now their story needs to get out. I hope another book about his anti-war years, as well as his incompetence as a prosecutor and Lt. Governor are talked about more effectively.

President Bush can handle the votes by "Cut & Run" Kerry in the senate, as that record speaks volumes about the absentee senator. Maybe someone can recall more of his adult past, such as his radio show, something from his failed attempts for political office, his stolen cookie biz and former law practice.

There is alot on WinterSoldier.com as well as Vietnam Vets Against John Kerry and the Swifboat vets site. How does this dufus expect to run on his war record if that is nothing more than a political opportunist sporting one hefty bag of lies?

By the way, I would like to see your spreadsheet once you finish! There needs to be a place for Kerry's ENTIRE record of LIES to be exposed.

Someone could always dig up a 20-year-old DUI that Mr. "war hero" forgot to tell us about...making certain it hits the nationwide press a week before the election.

322 posted on 08/12/2004 11:19:33 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: BIGLOOK

"Let's see his 8mm film clip of the Cambodia adventure. We all know what a media hound this guy is."

For years Howie Carr, Boston Herald Columnist/WRKO Talk Show host, has labeled Kerry "Live Shot"

Sounds like a "bullseye" to me.



323 posted on 08/12/2004 11:21:48 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Florida 2000: There Would Have Been No 5-4 Without A 7-2)
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To: wagglebee

(to tune of "I'll Be Home for Christmas")

I was in Cambodia for Christmas -
A C.I.A. man and me
Please don't ask - it's "need to know"
But, it's 'seared' in my memory

Christmas eve did find me
fighting the Khmer Rouge or Viet Cong - it seems...
I was in Cambodia for Christmas
- if only in my dreams.


324 posted on 08/12/2004 11:25:40 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: conservative in nyc

When I was in the Navy (70-74) not all officers had a TS. The average was a Secret Clearance. TS went to people that handled Communications, Weapons/Operations and Command. And to be honest I don't think all of them had a TS, I suspect if they were department heads (O3 and above) they needed them. Engineering, Deck Officers (1st Div) didn't need TS. Kerry's record is again conflicted. On one hand I read he ran the electrical shop (engineering), and also read he was 1st Lt, which means he ran the deck gang. Both low level posts that don't require a TS. Being an OIC on a PFC certainly requires no clearence. In fact, I'd be surprised they would let someone with a TS, even get in close quarters with the enemy.


325 posted on 08/12/2004 11:30:48 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (So many questions for Kerry - so few answers from Kerry)
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To: ProudVet77
As a boat commander, Kerry probably had a TS clearance but it was filtered down applying only to his daily tactical duties. Don't butt up against this claim. As to being privy to other TS CW skinny, he wasn't in the loop. His command & commanding officers were; his intel access was limited to day to day tactical ops.
326 posted on 08/12/2004 11:49:17 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: austingirl
I see their tactic is to move it to January so that Nixon was in office and thereby removing one lie from the fabric of lies. Not gonna work. Christmas is never confused with January.

And Nixon hadn't said sh*t about Cambodia in January or any other month in 1969.

327 posted on 08/12/2004 11:50:19 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Numbers Guy
Besides, Kerry used this tale to attack Nixon for Nixon's secret war in Cambodia.

Which didn't even begin until April 1970 anyway. Is Brinkley going to write another revised piece when we point out this inconvenient fact?

328 posted on 08/12/2004 11:51:38 PM PDT by montag813
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To: BIGLOOK; ProudVet77
Thanks.

As best I can tell, Kerry has had "Top Secret" and "Secret" clearances at various times:

Top Secret:
July 13, 1967
October 24, 1967
December 11, 1967
April 28, 1969

Secret:
December 16, 1966
December 11, 1968

Am I reading this right? Kerry's clearance level FELL when he was put in command of his Swift boat, and rose again when he became an Admiral's aide? And why the need for three separate TS clearances in 1967?
329 posted on 08/13/2004 12:59:58 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Sorry. Link for TS Clearances on Kerry's website:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Top_Secret_Clearance.pdf


330 posted on 08/13/2004 1:01:04 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: what's up; Howlin
That's why they're IMO shifting the date to January. He was probably away from the boat then and can say he slipped away to his secret mission without his buddies knowing.

Hmmm. Maybe he can squeeze in another month and claim he was with Bob Kerrey, practicing their shooting skills at Thanh Phong.

331 posted on 08/13/2004 1:13:48 AM PDT by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: conservative in nyc

Can't help here pal, Kerry's records have been skewed for over 30 yrs. SwiftVets have been setting the record straight. Those guys knew him and have stated what they knew about him.


332 posted on 08/13/2004 2:11:10 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: bagman
On the point of the Swift boat vets, Kerry's own campaign showed a tape of Kerry and his men patrolling in the Swift boats and the tape was shot from another boat.

Although they keep saying to O'Neil and anyone that will listen that "they didn't serve with Kerry because they were not in the same boat."

They used this footage to show the American people that the best way to see the Swift boat in action was from another boat and it shows how close each boat was to the other. Therefore allowing each boat to be able to see the going on in the other boats.
333 posted on 08/13/2004 3:00:28 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry and The Taxocrates must be defeated! "Kerry wasn't in Cambodia before he was in Cambodia.")
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To: First_Salute

Thanks for filling in what was unsaid in the article.


334 posted on 08/13/2004 3:10:52 AM PDT by snopercod (Has anybody noticed that Iraq is using Saddam's "God is Great" flag again?)
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To: Morgan's Raider

Nixon was sworn in on or about Jan 21st.... Inaguration Day. That means he had 10 days, to select John Kerry to lead the attack on Cambodia. Did we win that battle???


335 posted on 08/13/2004 3:17:48 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls - Proof that when the Main Stream Media wants your opinion, they will give it to you)
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To: Mjaye
And there ought to be a law against anyone being called "Tipper".

Hasn't Tipper changed her name after the Dimocrat convention? I think her name is Nipper now.

Remember this?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1178820/posts?page=1562#1562

336 posted on 08/13/2004 4:29:57 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (--Your message could post here--)
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To: Numbers Guy

"I sure as heck have never mixed up my location at Christmas with my location in the middle of January."

January psychologically would never be confused with Christmas either. Even at war, you would reflect on the past during the Christmas season. At war or at home, January can be downer.


337 posted on 08/13/2004 4:35:12 AM PDT by IamConservative (A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: rocklobster11
We know that Kerry ferried Green Beret Rassman to some missions, so it's possible that he ferried CIA operatives as well. It's also possible that one of those agents was on his way to Cambodia, and that Kerry ferried him some of the way on that mission. It's also possible that Kerry made the whole thing up.

You are correct that the PCFs went on a variety of missions including ferrying troops. My point is that Kerry did not have the responsibility to decide what missions his boat would undertake or not. If there was ever a secret mission, his superiors would be aware of it. I think your latter supposition that Kerry made this all up is correct.

The only thing that matters is whether the story is true or not. Nobody will care if it turns out to be January instead of December. The good thing is that it may require Kerry/Brinkly to release some of Kerry's journals to resolve the issue, and if they do they will probably have to release all of them.

I don't agree with your statement that nobody will care if it turns out to be January instead of XMAS Eve. Over the intervening years, Kerry has stated over 50 times that it was on XMAS. Changing his story once he is found out to be a liar is not meaningless in my mind. On the other hand, if on the remote chance, his story is true, then the political impact will be far less. It certainly would hurt the SVBFT even though it shouldn't because they got their facts right.

O'Neill wants Kerry to release his journals. I have a feeling that they are a fabrication of what went on and O'Neill knows it. The more Kerry tries to free himself from this tar baby, the more entangled he becomes. My only concern is that the MSM will accept the Brinkley explanation and just move on, i.e., Kerry was just donfused about the dates.

338 posted on 08/13/2004 5:02:19 AM PDT by kabar
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To: RasterMaster

"ALL HIS LIES NEED TO BE EXPOSED! Not just the whopper about Cambodia."

I absolutely agree with that. I do think certain lies are going to be less plausible than others. It's great that you're going after this postwar years, that's a real grey area. Much of it is hard to nail down, but he did make himself a public figure during that time -- which was his prime objective. There has to be some documentation out there somewhere.

I suspect you're right that the SwiftVets know as much detail as they can get about his 3.5 months. However, for public purposes they could use as much CLEAR explanation in the form of timelines, etc., as they can get. One thing I'd like to do is to add all photographic documentary evidence available to the spreadsheet - like maybe the logs of other boat captains that mentioned him, even in passing. Anything that will nail down WHERE he was on a given date.


339 posted on 08/13/2004 6:02:35 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Let he who has ears to hear, hear. Support the heroes of the SwiftBoat Vets.)
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To: avant_garde
I can barely wait for the next revision where the blames Reagan for sending him into Cambodia!

After all it was John Lehman, Reagan's Secretary of the Navy who signed, sKerry's Bronz Star citation.

Oh and don't bother clicking the links to Kerry's records (on Kerry's website), the incriminating PDFs are now blank!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1122563/posts

340 posted on 08/13/2004 6:40:32 AM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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