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CA freepers, RED ALERT RED ALERT!!!
CA Assembly

Posted on 05/25/2004 9:09:15 AM PDT by farmfriend

RED ALERT!!! RED ALERT!!!

There are three bills ready for a vote in the Assembly. Two would turn the entire Sierra Nevada mountain range into a conservancy. The other one would give the state total control over water and private property. Unless these bills are stopped, you can give up on CA.

Ab 2600/a>

Ab 1788

AB 2631

RED ALERT, RED ALERT!!!
All bills are to third reading!!!


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Announcements; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1788; ab2600; bills; california; conservancy; government; sierra; sierraconservancy; sierranevada
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To: EggsAckley
"the state taking over private water"

"Forget about it Jake; it's Chinatown"

41 posted on 05/25/2004 11:47:11 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: EggsAckley

Don't worry, another year like last and the enviro freaks don't have to worry about conserving anything...except a smoldering pile of ash.



42 posted on 05/25/2004 11:47:29 AM PDT by xusafflyer (Keep paying those taxes California. Mexico thanks you.)
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To: Carry_Okie
It's far more likely they will require YOU to do it and fine you harshly if you don't provide perfect results immediately.

They'll slap a lien on your property, then seize it.

"Oh look, it's a buttercup indigenious to North Dakota...YOU'RE BUSTED!!!

Lots of people in the High Desert grow Lilacs. The 3 seasons suit them. Guess all my old neighbors are going to have to yank them.

43 posted on 05/25/2004 11:53:01 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
How the heck do you deport fish?

You start by siezing control of the body of water where the fish lives. Successful elimination of the fish is a secondary concern.

44 posted on 05/25/2004 11:55:21 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: EggsAckley

I don't know why, but this city is wall to wall Eucalyptus trees. Back in the desert, I had a severe problem with Oleanders. I will never allow those on any property we live on. My son has to stay indoors because of his allergies. I don't even know what Scotch Broom is, but I'll bet someone's got one around here. Still, it's not like some psycho planted kudzu deliberately, ya know?


45 posted on 05/25/2004 11:58:52 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
The thing is, I've been removing exotics from my property for over a decade. It isn't cheap or easy. There will never be enough tax money to do it with a bureaucracy, ever. The situation is too complex for that. I have published a book on how to fix this mess via a free market. It contains a plan to use treaty law to take this scam away from the bureaucrats.
46 posted on 05/25/2004 12:02:22 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national security.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Yes, Kudzu would REALLY present a problem. LOL! I do have a nasty little plant called Knotweed that just seems determined to take over the world, but certainly not with the gusto of Kudzu.


47 posted on 05/25/2004 12:03:02 PM PDT by EggsAckley ("people who go to the Supreme Court ought to interpret the Constitution as it is interpreted...")
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To: farmfriend; EggsAckley
"Why am I having to explain this to you?"

After years of posting and explaining to FReepers these creeping issues of government growth through EnvironMentalism, I understand your impatience and sense of fatigue whenever someone we expect to have maintained their awareness seems to make you feel like you have just been "peeing into the wind," but don't lash out now.

This is the opportunity we have all been waiting for to "bring it all home" and finally "getting across" your points without getting cross. This "cause" has been progressing so inexorably under the typical FReepers radar, to say nothing of the public's radar, that it can appear to be "tin foil" when hit over the head with it.

It is expecially hard for even highly knowledgeable people to respond to a "threat" when their focus has been on living life and surviving, while busybodies and activists who seem to have endless amounts of time and money have been lobbying endless "public processes," non-stop for decades to advance these "causes!"

At this moment in time, in CA, they are about to win big with their dream cause based on the small success they had with "The Tahoe Conservancy" with it's large staff of self-annointed state employees, recieving a state paycheck and huge benefits. My proof of this is getting to know these employees, seeing some of their paychecks and seeing them join the activists at public meetings to engineer outcomes!

Please be patient with EggsAckley and all other FReepers and take the time to answer questions and make explanations with all the factual back-up you can provide at least one more tedious time with a smile in your tone. We need their help right now, more than ever!!!

48 posted on 05/25/2004 12:06:41 PM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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To: Myrddin
You start by siezing control of the body of water where the fish lives. Successful elimination of the fish is a secondary concern.

Just great. I'm just sitting here thinking of a fishing hole up in Bouquet Canyon, that we all used to camp near, years ago.

They can't eliminate the fish, because PETA will sue them. So they just seize the lakes and waterways that are on private property. Sweet...

49 posted on 05/25/2004 12:07:09 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: SierraWasp

Tell em how F&G" eliminated" fish from Lake Davis... :o)


50 posted on 05/25/2004 12:23:35 PM PDT by tubebender (A tag line is nothing more and nothing less than a tag line...)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Just great. I'm just sitting here thinking of a fishing hole up in Bouquet Canyon, that we all used to camp near, years ago.

That kind of behaviour will have to be stopped. The government can't keep bodies of water free of non-native species if people are allowed to have contact with the water. Boats, boots and fishing tackle could be contaminated with non-native species from another body of water.

If you can prohibit people from hunting and fishing to gather food, then you only have to control the food supply to the retail stores. Voila! Population control. Robert Mugabe would be so proud of his fellow ideological travelers.

51 posted on 05/25/2004 12:24:15 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: farmfriend
Be my guest:


52 posted on 05/25/2004 1:37:19 PM PDT by backhoe (The 1990's? The Decade of Fraud(s)...)
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To: Carry_Okie

The book looks pretty interesting. I have bamboo plants on this property that my parents were trying to eradicate when I was in kindergarten. They will not go away. We do need to take personal responsibility about the things we plant, and I understand that. However, I just don't see a huge crisis that warrants this legislation.

If this should pass, how far can they go?

Btw, thanks for the link. It looks interesting.


53 posted on 05/25/2004 2:01:09 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: EggsAckley

Lol, Kudzu is the plant equivalent to the cockroach.

I suppose dandelions and crabgrass are protected species under California law? All my front yard needs is ranch dressing and croutons...


54 posted on 05/25/2004 2:06:32 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: Myrddin; SierraWasp

Exactly. The more posts I read, the more tinfoil scenarios form in my mind. If anyone grows food gardens, what is in your garden that is specifically native in the land of fruits and nuts? Will the state ban the sale of certain seeds and seedlings? If water rationing should take effect, how would you sustain these crops? BAH!

They are trying to slide this right under our noses. Some folks will think I'm being excessively paranoid, but I recognize some of the critters who have voted yes on these bills. They are nasty! So, what can we do about it?



55 posted on 05/25/2004 2:18:08 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: farmfriend
What's the sweat. Our conservative governor wouldn't codify this liberal pap.

Not to worry. A Republican like Schwarzenegger will stop this nonsenses in its tracks.

56 posted on 05/25/2004 3:12:59 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: TheSpottedOwl

My principal reasons for being against the legislation are that it won't work, the bureaucrats will make things worse to get bigger budgets, it will be hugely expensive and unjust. The problem is just too complex for bureaucratic systems to manage. It often requires speed and risk taking to which they are not suited. I can see nothing but evil coming from this.


57 posted on 05/25/2004 3:55:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating environmental regulation is critical to national security.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus; gubamyster

While we're worried about our troops, and the commies trying to undermine us, lookie what these lovely people are cooking up for Kalifornistan.

Scroll down for explanations of all this gobbledlygook...


58 posted on 05/25/2004 4:35:15 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: farmfriend

I hate these legislatures here. Thanks for the head's up.


59 posted on 05/25/2004 4:36:24 PM PDT by ladyinred (Torture is what happened to Nick Berg!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; EggsAckley; farmfriend; Carry_Okie; hedgetrimmer; tubebender; forester; marsh2
"You are absolutely correct in your assessment of these bills. They are promoting a socialist agenda. We are so screwed if these bills pass."

You have articulated the essential essence of the matter!!! (worth repeating)

They are promoting a socialist agenda.

I'm not radically opposed to everything concerning the environment because I am not a fool. Many good things have been discovered to help mankind use the forces of nature to improve our human processes over the past four decades. Mostly by businesses and industries that have found that nature can be an ally, instead of some tool of the devilish EnvironMentalists to taunt and torment them with!

I object with all that's in me when our GOVERNMENT is used in an overkilling kind of brutish attempt to suffocate economic processes, to weaken American Industry and Commerce to create some imagined "equality" among nations!!!

I also object just as strenuously when I discover one element in business & industry using GovernMental EnvironMental Activism to drive their competitors out of business or even to get a competitive edge, or to create some imagined "equity" among enterprises!!!

The "Public Trust Doctrine," derived from ancient Rome, that says "No one can own the air and no one can own the water" is being expanded by these lawmakers to include... NO ONE CAN OWN THE LAND, EITHER!!! (ownership used to imply control, remember?)

So your astute comment pulls the covers on their Socialistic Agenda!!! (and it ain't "tinfoil" neither!)

60 posted on 05/25/2004 4:40:45 PM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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