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'Your Forefathers Were Not Neanderthals'
IOL ^ | 1-26-2004 | Maggie Fox

Posted on 01/27/2004 8:08:04 AM PST by blam

'Your forefathers were not Neanderthals'

January 26 2004 at 02:30PM

By Maggie Fox

Washington - You may think your grandparents act like Neanderthals, but United States researchers said on Monday they had strong evidence that modern humans are not descended from them.

A computer analysis of the skulls of modern humans, Neanderthals, monkeys and apes shows that we are substantially different, physically, from those early humans.

New York University paleoanthropologist Katerina Harvati said Neanderthals should be considered a separate species from Homo sapiens, and not just a sub-species.

"We interpret the evidence presented here as supporting the view that Neanderthals represent an extinct human species and therefore refute the regional continuity model for Europe," she and colleagues wrote in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Some anthropologists believe that Neanderthals, who went extinct 30 000 years ago, may have at least contributed to the ancestry of modern Europeans.

There is strong evidence that Homo sapiens neanderthalis, as they are known scientifically, interacted with the more modern Cro-Magnons, who eventually displaced them. Cro-Magnons are the ancestors of modern humans, Homo sapiens sapiens.

Some research has suggested they may have interbred to a limited degree, although this is hotly disputed in anthropological circles.

At least one study that looked at fragments of Neanderthal DNA suggested any Neanderthal-Cro-Magnon offspring did not add to the modern gene pool.

Harvati and colleagues combined modern computer technology and the tried-and-true method of determining species that uses physical comparisons.

They examined the skulls of modern humans and Neanderthals and 11 existing species of non-human primates including chimpanzees, gorillas and baboons.

They measured 15 standard skull and face landmarks and used 3-D analysis to superimpose each one on the other.

"From these data, we were able to determine how much variation living primate species generally accommodate, as well as measure how different two primate species that are closely related can be," Harvati said in a statement.

Their computer analyses showed that the differences measured between modern humans and Neanderthals were significantly greater than those found between subspecies of living monkeys and apes.


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To: pabianice
Doesn't explain the existance of Liberals...

The Bible states that the Sons of God came down and procreated with the Daughters of Man. Hence, we have modern humans.

In the same vein, the Sons of Satan came "up" and interbreed with the Bimbos of Man, hence....we have Liberals.

It's all very simple, really.

321 posted on 01/31/2004 5:19:09 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: Calamari
Besides the height difference, the two skeletons will be almost identical. They'll have the same number of bones, the same proportion of muscle attachment size to bone size, the same initial dentiture, etc. Future paleontologists will conclude they belonged to the same species...
322 posted on 02/01/2004 5:31:36 AM PST by Junior (Some people follow their dreams. Others hunt theirs down and beat them mercilessly into submission)
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To: blam
If you are not a Liberal or a Kennedy you are a "Neanderthal".
323 posted on 02/01/2004 5:39:55 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: Junior
Sure they would if they were not pushing their own pet theories....
</mild sarcasm>
324 posted on 02/01/2004 7:45:18 AM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: greenwolf
BTTT
325 posted on 02/06/2004 6:00:54 PM PST by carpio
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To: blam; <1/1,000,000th%; A.J.Armitage; Agnes Heep; Alamo-Girl; Alas Babylon!; All; ArGee; abner; ...
bumpin' the topic, with a reprise from another. Not a ping list, just a reply to those who have posted, with a very few exceptions:
Neanderthals matured faster than humans
Associated Press
April 28, 2004
A new study suggests that Neanderthal children blazed through adolescence and on average reached adulthood at age 15... [P]aleontologist Fernando V. Ramirez Rozzi... with the National Center for Scientific Research in Paris, based his study on analysis of Neanderthal teeth... "It's a very exciting paper," said anthropologist Katerina Harvati of New York University. "Our current understanding of Neanderthals is that they're brutish and stupid, even though it turns out they have larger brains on average than ourselves"... For more than 100,000 years, Neanderthals roamed across a vast region from Spain to southern Russia and western Asia, overlapping with anatomically modern man for several thousand years... Harvati said their quick maturation rate may have been an adaptation to a harsh environment that decreased their life span and made it important for youngsters to reach sexual maturity quickly... Erik Trinkaus of Washington University in St. Louis said he's skeptical of the research. Human growth varies widely within a population, he said. In fact, Rozzi's study includes some Neanderthal teeth that took as long to develop as modern human teeth. University of Illinois at Chicago anatomy professor Jay Kelley said he's also concerned about making conclusions based on what are essentially assumptions about Neanderthal tooth growth.
Just kidding about the dentistry. What Rozzi is trying to prove is the *blind belief* that Neandertal was inferior and driven to extinction by our ancestors. IOW, it's more GIGO. If Rozzi were a dentist -- or for that matter, hadn't received his paleontology degree from the University of Disneyland -- he'd be aware of this:
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
NOT A PING LIST, merely posted to: *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; *crevo_list; <1/1,000,000th%; A.J.Armitage; Agnes Heep; Alamo-Girl; Alas Babylon!; All; ArGee; abner; adam_az; agrace; alloysteel; ameribbean expat; antiRepublicrat; BlueLancer; biblewonk; blam; Calamari; CholeraJoe; CobaltBlue; Cowgirl; carpio; cookcounty; cyborg; DeepDish; Doctor Stochastic; edwin hubble; Frapster; farmfriend; Gerasimov; greenwolf; gunnedah; hopespringseternal; Ichneumon; Indrid Cold; Inyo-Mono; jennyp; js1138; Lazamataz; Little Bill; LogicWings; Lurking Libertarian; laredo44; longshadow; Mercat; Michael81Dus; Michael_Michaelangelo; Modernman; melsec; moonhawk; NukeMan; OXENinFLA; PatrickHenry; Pharmboy; Physicist; pabianice; pax_et_bonum; petuniasevan; qam1; RadioAstronomer; Restore; Revolting cat!; RightWhale; RightWingAtheist; RightWingNilla; realpatriot71; SauronOfMordor; SoCal Pubbie; Thumper1960; TMSuchman; techworker; thefactor; tpaine; ValerieUSA; Victoria Delsoul; Virginia-American; VOA; varon; visualops; Wacka; whattajoke; ZULU

326 posted on 07/24/2004 3:56:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv; thefactor

bookmark for later and ping.


327 posted on 07/25/2004 12:40:53 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: blam

All your genetics are belong to us!


328 posted on 07/25/2004 12:56:48 AM PDT by paleocon patriarch (Rule One: -"The cover-up is worse than the event." Rule Two: "No one ever remembers the first rule.)
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To: blam
"At least one study that looked at fragments of Neanderthal DNA suggested any Neanderthal-Cro-Magnon offspring did not add to the modern gene pool."

This would agree with the Biblical account that gives strong evidence of an entire race of mankind existing and being completely extinguished before Adam arrived on the scene.

329 posted on 07/25/2004 1:02:47 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Pharmboy

We are Neanderthals simply because Ted Kennedy said we were and if a liberal says it, it has to be true!


330 posted on 07/25/2004 5:08:42 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: realpatriot71

Now that you mention it, about a year ago on the news they interviewed a living woman in Vietnam who was 124 years old, so it is possible for man to live that long.


331 posted on 03/11/2005 10:42:19 PM PST by samssf
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332 posted on 07/08/2005 8:56:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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333 posted on 10/06/2006 10:50:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Neanderthals Revisited: New Approaches and Perspectives Neanderthals Revisited:
New Approaches and Perspectives

ed by Katerina Harvati
and Terry Harrison


334 posted on 02/21/2008 3:36:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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To: Revolting cat!

You get my vote for awesomest posting ever. I just established an account with FR because it’s required in order to reply; “Well, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle!” deserves special praise. Now I have to go change because you made me laugh until I peed myself.

Well played, Revolting cat!


335 posted on 04/05/2008 7:03:39 PM PDT by DubiousRob (Brand new poster thanks to Revolting cat!)
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Well, Dubious, if that’s your real name, I thank you! (Or should I too wait 4+ years? Geez, am I still here, still not banned, still not grateful dead?)


336 posted on 04/05/2008 7:19:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("I am like...Dude......do you really....like want the Sex?")
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337 posted on 09/17/2009 3:30:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: blam
Meet the new bump, same as the old bump.

338 posted on 04/23/2018 7:00:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Revolting cat!
"Well, Dubious, if that’s your real name, I thank you! (Or should I too wait 4+ years? Geez, am I still here, still not banned, still not grateful dead?)"

How about now?

That was 10 years ago.

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