Linguistic evidence supports date for Homeric epics

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“710-760 BCE for these great works.” Same time critical scholars give for Deuteronomy

The keywords The/Iliad, The/Odyssey, Homer, Trojan War, sorted:

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Confirmatory or antagonistic evidence is always welcome.

I’m just gobsmacked that the Simpsons go back that far.

I think this is the first time I have ever seen

“evolutionary-linguistic phylogenetic statistical methods to differences in Homeric, Modern Greek and ancient Hittite vocabulary items” in a sentence.

I seem to have enough trouble with simple english pronouns, this, well this is probably all Turkish to me

https://elwynshebrewbiblepage.weebly.com/the-discovery-of-the-law-book-in-the-temple.html

Here we apply evolutionary-linguistic phylogenetic statistical methods to differences in Homeric, Modern Greek and ancient Hittite vocabulary items to estimate a date of approximately 710-760 ~~BCE~~ BC for these great works.

FIFY

Thanks, that’s really neat. I’m reading Robert Alter’s translation of the Hebrew Bible this year; he favors KJV among English texts

We're epic!

GMTA

That’s a Homer Simpson quote isn’t it? :D

Homeric? Let’s not be impetuous now...

Doh!

I always have fun asking someone what designates the beginning of the Common Era.

estimate a date of approximately 710-760 BCE for these great works

At least as the time they were written down...not necessarily the time they were created...

Kind of like my well patina’d Edition 3 Machinists Handbook compared to my new shiny Edition 32?

We then used a likelihood-based Markov chain Monte Carlo procedure to estimate

What did Homer say?

I don't know it was all Greek to me.

Not your father's ancient Greek. Nor your forefathers.