Alibaba claims its AI model trounces DeepSeek and OpenAI competitors

Live Science ^ | January 29, 2025 | Ben Turner

[SunkenCiv]

Chinese tech company Alibaba has unveiled a new artificial intelligence (AI) model that it claims outperforms its rivals at OpenAI, Meta and DeepSeek.

The announcement of the Qwen2.5-Max model yesterday (Jan. 29) is the second major AI announcement from China this week, after DeepSeek's R1 open-weight model took the world by storm following claims that it performs better and is more cost-effective than its American competitors.

Now, Alibaba claims that Qwen 2.5-Max, which is also partly open-source, is even more impressive — surpassing a number of rival models in various tests run by the company.

"In benchmark tests such as Arena-Hard, LiveBench, LiveCodeBench, GPQA-Diamond and MMLU-Pro, Qwen2.5-Max is on par with [Anthropic's] Claude-3.5-Sonnet, and almost completely surpasses [OpenAI's] GPT-4o, DeepSeek-V3 and [Meta's] Llama-3.1-405B," Alibaba representatives wrote Jan. 28 in a translated statement on WeChat.

The news comes at an uncertain time for American tech companies. Following DeepSeek's announcement, the AI chatbot quickly overtook ChatGPT to become the most downloaded free app in Apple's U.S. App Store.

The company's claims that it achieved better results, while training and running its model at a fraction of the cost, sent shockwaves around the world — wiping $1 trillion from the valuations of leading tech companies such as Nvidia, whose loss of $589 billion was the biggest one-day market loss in U.S. history.

DeepSeek's success has also led to a domestic battle among China's top AI companies, triggering TikTok owner ByteDance to update its Doubao model and likely prompting Alibaba to announce its own new model

China's growing competitiveness in AI has become a source of panic for its U.S. counterparts, with OpenAI claiming today (Jan. 29) that DeepSeek plagiarized parts of OpenAI's models to train its own.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Harmless Teddy Bear]

[noiseman]

Yeah, sure. Deepseek gets exposed for being an immense exaggeration, so the CCP responds by saying, “Never mind that, look over here! HERE is the real communist world-beating AI.”

Uh huh.

[SunkenCiv]

Deepseek search results combined with Deepseek keyword, sorted, duplicates out, some overlap with the above list I'm sure.

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[ifinnegan]

Funny.

Deep Six is Bytedance (TikTok).

Chicom fakes trying to out best each other in their fakery.

[laplata]

I know nothing about AI but it seems prudent for all parties concerned to develop some kind of kill switch on their AI to shut it down just in case it gets out of control.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

“partly open-source” is not open source.

[vpintheak]

Oh boy. More ChiComm spyware!

[FrankRizzo890]

I wonder who’s training data THEY stole?

[Sequoyah101]

Not it isn’t. Mine’s much better. I wrote it on a napkin.

[maddog55]

It’ll be interesting when real AI systems confront real AI systems.

[SunkenCiv]

Won’t be long before fast food will be taken over by AI. So, FOOD FIGHT!!!

[SunkenCiv]

When I got up this morning, I found my napkins from China had been writing code on each other. I’m scared.

[SunkenCiv]

Ironically, they found it for sale for two bucks on Temu.

[JeanLM]

It’ll be interesting when real AI systems confront real AI systems.

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I SEE A SPECIAL SERIES ON jEOPARDY COMING.

[takebackaustin]

Do you mean DeepSeek?

The article doesn’t say that ByteDance owns DeepSeek, it says they own a different outfit, Doubao:
“DeepSeek’s success has also led to a domestic battle among China’s top AI companies, triggering TikTok owner ByteDance to update its Doubao model and likely prompting Alibaba to announce its own new model“.

DeepSeek was founded by a hedge fund guy from China. I may just as well be a ChiCom front, like every Chinese company. Anything the goverment asks they do.

It is a rumor or open secret ( your choice) that DeepSeek distilled expensive competitor models. Trump’s AI / crypto czar related the rumor that at first, if you asked it “who are you?” it replied “ I am ChatGPT”.

Another story was that if you load it up to play with/evaluate, the agreement states (if you log in using Google id anyway) it may scan your gmail and could send info “home” to China.

So I agree that there is fakery in the form of misrepresentation of benchmarking, potential ChiCom data harvesting, and market manipulation.

On top of that, emerging competitors secretly training on the first movers’ models which were themselves trained on NYT, Facebook, Wikipedia, and other MSM web content further concentrates AI groupthink and AI political correctness. Which then reinfects humans.

Most generative AI models are also innumerate, capable of “hallucination” or “dishonesty”, and unable to explain their own “reasoning”, although, surprisingly, DeepSeek may have improved on the competing technology in some of those respects.

[PIF]

Its faster at supplying an answer the DeepSpeek, is more accurate at 18% then Deepspeek, and every inquiry comes with a 1% discount card on Alibaba merchandise.

[PIF]

More ChiComm spyware!

—
But you can get merchandise from Alibaba at a discount!

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

The 8 ball has spoken. ;)

[ifinnegan]

May I introduce you to the concept of a pun.

Look it up.

You’ve done good due diligence.

Bytedance deep six connection overlapping ownership is there.

They’re all ultimately owned by Chicom cabal, or chaebol.