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Alibaba claims its AI model trounces DeepSeek and OpenAI competitors
Live Science ^ | January 29, 2025 | Ben Turner

Posted on 01/31/2025 8:44:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Chinese tech company Alibaba has unveiled a new artificial intelligence (AI) model that it claims outperforms its rivals at OpenAI, Meta and DeepSeek.

The announcement of the Qwen2.5-Max model yesterday (Jan. 29) is the second major AI announcement from China this week, after DeepSeek's R1 open-weight model took the world by storm following claims that it performs better and is more cost-effective than its American competitors.

Now, Alibaba claims that Qwen 2.5-Max, which is also partly open-source, is even more impressive — surpassing a number of rival models in various tests run by the company.

"In benchmark tests such as Arena-Hard, LiveBench, LiveCodeBench, GPQA-Diamond and MMLU-Pro, Qwen2.5-Max is on par with [Anthropic's] Claude-3.5-Sonnet, and almost completely surpasses [OpenAI's] GPT-4o, DeepSeek-V3 and [Meta's] Llama-3.1-405B," Alibaba representatives wrote Jan. 28 in a translated statement on WeChat.

The news comes at an uncertain time for American tech companies. Following DeepSeek's announcement, the AI chatbot quickly overtook ChatGPT to become the most downloaded free app in Apple's U.S. App Store.

The company's claims that it achieved better results, while training and running its model at a fraction of the cost, sent shockwaves around the world — wiping $1 trillion from the valuations of leading tech companies such as Nvidia, whose loss of $589 billion was the biggest one-day market loss in U.S. history.

DeepSeek's success has also led to a domestic battle among China's top AI companies, triggering TikTok owner ByteDance to update its Doubao model and likely prompting Alibaba to announce its own new model

China's growing competitiveness in AI has become a source of panic for its U.S. counterparts, with OpenAI claiming today (Jan. 29) that DeepSeek plagiarized parts of OpenAI's models to train its own.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
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1 posted on 01/31/2025 8:44:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 01/31/2025 8:48:15 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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Yeah, sure. Deepseek gets exposed for being an immense exaggeration, so the CCP responds by saying, “Never mind that, look over here! HERE is the real communist world-beating AI.”

Uh huh.

3 posted on 01/31/2025 8:51:23 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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Deepseek search results combined with Deepseek keyword, sorted, duplicates out, some overlap with the above list I'm sure.

4 posted on 01/31/2025 8:52:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Funny.

Deep Six is Bytedance (TikTok).

Chicom fakes trying to out best each other in their fakery.


5 posted on 01/31/2025 8:53:42 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I know nothing about AI but it seems prudent for all parties concerned to develop some kind of kill switch on their AI to shut it down just in case it gets out of control.


6 posted on 01/31/2025 8:54:15 PM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“partly open-source” is not open source.


7 posted on 01/31/2025 9:55:57 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh boy. More ChiComm spyware!


8 posted on 01/31/2025 10:05:54 PM PST by vpintheak (Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. )
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To: SunkenCiv

I wonder who’s training data THEY stole?


9 posted on 01/31/2025 10:59:28 PM PST by FrankRizzo890
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To: SunkenCiv

Not it isn’t. Mine’s much better. I wrote it on a napkin.


10 posted on 01/31/2025 11:20:43 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Donald John Trump. First man to be Elected to the Presidency THREE times since FDR.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’ll be interesting when real AI systems confront real AI systems.


11 posted on 02/01/2025 4:15:51 AM PST by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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Won’t be long before fast food will be taken over by AI. So, FOOD FIGHT!!!


12 posted on 02/01/2025 5:02:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Sequoyah101

When I got up this morning, I found my napkins from China had been writing code on each other. I’m scared.


13 posted on 02/01/2025 5:09:51 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: FrankRizzo890

Ironically, they found it for sale for two bucks on Temu.


14 posted on 02/01/2025 5:12:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: maddog55

It’ll be interesting when real AI systems confront real AI systems.


I SEE A SPECIAL SERIES ON jEOPARDY COMING.


15 posted on 02/01/2025 5:57:31 AM PST by JeanLM
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To: ifinnegan

Do you mean DeepSeek?

The article doesn’t say that ByteDance owns DeepSeek, it says they own a different outfit, Doubao:
“DeepSeek’s success has also led to a domestic battle among China’s top AI companies, triggering TikTok owner ByteDance to update its Doubao model and likely prompting Alibaba to announce its own new model“.

DeepSeek was founded by a hedge fund guy from China. I may just as well be a ChiCom front, like every Chinese company. Anything the goverment asks they do.

It is a rumor or open secret ( your choice) that DeepSeek distilled expensive competitor models. Trump’s AI / crypto czar related the rumor that at first, if you asked it “who are you?” it replied “ I am ChatGPT”.

Another story was that if you load it up to play with/evaluate, the agreement states (if you log in using Google id anyway) it may scan your gmail and could send info “home” to China.

So I agree that there is fakery in the form of misrepresentation of benchmarking, potential ChiCom data harvesting, and market manipulation.

On top of that, emerging competitors secretly training on the first movers’ models which were themselves trained on NYT, Facebook, Wikipedia, and other MSM web content further concentrates AI groupthink and AI political correctness. Which then reinfects humans.

Most generative AI models are also innumerate, capable of “hallucination” or “dishonesty”, and unable to explain their own “reasoning”, although, surprisingly, DeepSeek may have improved on the competing technology in some of those respects.


16 posted on 02/01/2025 6:53:24 AM PST by takebackaustin
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Its faster at supplying an answer the DeepSpeek, is more accurate at 18% then Deepspeek, and every inquiry comes with a 1% discount card on Alibaba merchandise.


17 posted on 02/01/2025 7:43:29 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: vpintheak

More ChiComm spyware!


But you can get merchandise from Alibaba at a discount!


18 posted on 02/01/2025 7:44:28 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

The 8 ball has spoken. ;)

19 posted on 02/01/2025 8:02:31 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: takebackaustin

May I introduce you to the concept of a pun.

Look it up.

You’ve done good due diligence.

Bytedance deep six connection overlapping ownership is there.

They’re all ultimately owned by Chicom cabal, or chaebol.


20 posted on 02/01/2025 9:24:47 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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