Posted on 01/28/2025 8:10:52 AM PST by MtnClimber
The recent release of DeepSeek's R1 model has sent shockwaves through the AI community and global markets. While DeepSeek claims to have achieved this breakthrough with minimal resources, some experts and analysts are raising concerns about the company's rapid ascent and potential ties to the Chinese government. This report delves into the evidence and expert opinions surrounding DeepSeek, steelmanning the case that it may be a psychological operation (psyop) orchestrated by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
China's Pursuit of AI Dominance
China has explicitly stated its ambition to become a global leader in AI by 2030. This goal is driven by the recognition of AI's potential to transform industries, enhance national security, and elevate China's global standing. China aims to achieve a first-mover advantage in AI, allowing it to set the trend and lead the world in this critical technology. To achieve AI dominance, China is actively pursuing the following strategies:
- Investing in AI research and development: China is promoting AI education and research programs to cultivate domestic talent and reduce reliance on foreign technology.
- Developing domestic AI infrastructure: China is investing in advanced technologies like 5G networks and green data centers to support the deployment of high-capacity computing power essential for AI development.
- Prioritizing AI applications across sectors: China is actively integrating AI into various industries, including healthcare, finance, and surveillance, to drive efficiency and innovation.
- Monitoring global AI trends: China closely monitors global AI developments to identify opportunities for breakthroughs and strategically allocate resources to maintain a competitive edge.
DeepSeek's Suspicious Success
DeepSeek, a Chinese AI startup founded in 2023 by Liang Wenfeng, has rapidly gained attention for its advanced AI models, particularly the recently released R1 model. Liang, born in Guangdong in 1985, holds bachelor's and master's degrees in electronic and information engineering from Zhejiang University. He also runs a hedge fund, which could potentially be funding DeepSeek's operations.
DeepSeek's R1 model has demonstrated impressive performance on various benchmarks, rivaling and even surpassing established models from US tech giants like OpenAI and Google. DeepSeek claims that R1 offers performance on par with OpenAI's latest model and ranks among the top performers on the UC Berkeley-affiliated leaderboard called Chatbot Arena. However, DeepSeek's claims of achieving this breakthrough with limited resources and in a short timeframe have raised skepticism.
DeepSeek claims to have developed the R1 model in less than two years with only $5.6 million, using less advanced Nvidia H800 chips . This claim is particularly striking considering the significant investments made by US companies in AI development. For instance, the following table shows the number of H100 chips purchased by leading US tech companies in 2024 alone:
DeepSeek's approach challenges the traditional capital-intensive model of AI development. The company emphasizes research and employs an open-source strategy, potentially as a way to gain a competitive edge . DeepSeek also claims that it does not engage in external project cooperation or provide privatization deployment, which could be interpreted as a way to avoid scrutiny and maintain control over its technology.
DeepSeek's development timeline includes the release of DeepSeek Coder in November 2023, followed by DeepSeek LLM, DeepSeek V2, DeepSeek V3, and finally DeepSeek R1 in January 2025. The R1 model was trained using multi-stage training and large-scale reinforcement learning techniques. It employs a Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) architecture with 671 billion total parameters, but only 37 billion are activated per task. The training process involved curated datasets, R10-generated reasoning chains, and human preference alignment . A reward system was used during training, which included accuracy rewards and format rewards.
DeepSeek R1 has achieved impressive results on various benchmarks, including:
MATH 500: 97.3% accuracy
Codeforces: Ranked in the 96.3rd percentile
AIME 2024: 79.8% pass@1 score
MMLU: 90.8% accuracy
GPQA Diamond: 71.5% accuracy
SWE-bench Verified: 49.2% accuracy
AlpacaEval 2.0: Won 87.6% of evaluations
Despite these achievements, DeepSeek R1 has some limitations, such as mixing English and Chinese responses due to a lack of supervised fine-tuning....SNIP
It sure caused the Nvidia stock price to drop.
Maybe it was the Chinese government’s ploy to buy low and sell high?
That would not surprise me for the Chinese to claim an advance to drop a stock in order to buy it up.
If the CCP weren’t Communists they could have Capitalized on the price drop. lol
Even Microsoft said AI will never be secure so Deepseek is spyware , even sounds like spyware ,LOL
Hmmm. DeepSeek coder. Inserts backdoors every other line of code.
Have the Chinese done something that would make them untrustworthy?
Wow, it racked up some fantastic numbers in Codeforces, AIME 2024, MMLU, GPQA Diamond, WE-bench Verified, and AlpacaEval 2.0! Wouldn’t you agree?
But what about KittyKat 3.4 and LlamaPet 12.6? Why were those omitted?
They probably did. They are only communists in name. The party is an oligarch party in reality.
“Some people have “ “possible ties”??? Who, the ones with an IQ greater than the average of any still in the Democratic party?
Any company operating in China is directly controlled by the CCP. Geesh. It has been that way for ages. That is the basis of communism — despite the contrary lies of DBags like Cuban who like buying Chinese trash.
More likely an American psyop.
We give it to them to introduce, conveniently, the week the Trump admin wants to introduce a new, AI, “Manhattan project”. As if the Ellison/Altman announcement weren’t bad enough.
That's wrong. IIRC, DeepSeek claimed it developed and trained R1 in 2 months, not 2 years (55 days to be exact).
This looks like a Chinese psyop alright.
The R1 model was trained using multi-stage training and large-scale reinforcement learning techniques.
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Is that Chinese training by torture methods.
Ask DeepSeek to list any of Xi’s failures.
Ask DeepSeek how CCP spys on the US.
Seems to me this article minimizes the fact that DeepSeek has made RI an Open Source project. What this means is that they have made the source code that drives this system available to anyone who wants to use it. The idea of a trap door in “every other line of code” if kinda hard when you can view every line of code.
Is the source code the same as that of the RI system? I don’t know, but if that code is available, just compile it and see how it compares to the “real” system.
Anyone who uses deepseek and rednote are as good as spies for the Chinese.
I don’t know a thing about this stuff but I still smell a rat and panic over what seems unlikely.
Scale AI CEO Alexandr Wang said during an interview with CNBC on Thursday [of last week], without providing evidence, that DeepSeek has 50,000 Nvidia H100 chips.The H800 chip, used by China and DeepSeek to train the R1 AI platform, is a downgraded version of the H100 with about half the interconnect bandwidth. While it retains strong AI processing power, its reduced performance makes it less suitable for cutting-edge, large-scale AI workloads.
But China wouldn't cheat, steal, or lie would it?
He also runs a hedge fund, which could potentially be funding DeepSeek’s operations.
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Just adds money to the pool from the CCP which controls every single business in China - all businesses are required to have at least one Party member to manage to company. This is all part of the Civilian-Military Fusion policy begun by Xi Jinping.
There is no such thing as a government-independent company in China. The CCP runs everything.
registering for use of Deepseek requires you to give then your email address and likely goes downhill from there.
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