OpenAI says DeepSeek stole ChatGPT data sets to train its AI Model, claims to have 'solid evidence'

FirstPost ^ | 01/30/2025

[SeekAndFind]

OpenAI has claimed it found evidence suggesting that DeepSeek used distillation, a technique that extracts data from larger models to train smaller ones. OpenAI’s GPT-4 model, which cost over $100 million to train, is an example of a large and complex AI system.

OpenAI has raised serious concerns about Chinese AI startup DeepSeek, suspecting the company of using its data to train its own models. DeepSeek has gained significant attention for its cost-effective AI solutions, which are seen as strong competitors to OpenAI’s offerings. Following this, OpenAI and its partner Microsoft are now investigating whether DeepSeek used OpenAI’s API to integrate its models into their own systems.

According to sources cited by Bloomberg, Microsoft’s security researchers discovered large amounts of data being exfiltrated from OpenAI developer accounts in late 2024, which they believe are linked to DeepSeek.

OpenAI has claimed it found evidence suggesting that DeepSeek used distillation, a technique that extracts data from larger models to train smaller ones. This method is efficient, but OpenAI argues that using it to create competing models is a violation of its terms of service.

Is The distillation technique: A common practice or IP theft?

Distillation is a well-known technique in AI development, allowing smaller models to replicate the performance of more powerful ones at a fraction of the cost. OpenAI’s GPT-4 model, which cost over $100 million to train, is an example of a large and complex AI system.

However, OpenAI claims that DeepSeek has used its models to train its own system through distillation, which it argues is a violation of its terms of service. The company has not disclosed specifics of the evidence it has gathered but says it is confident that DeepSeek has used its data without permission.

[SeekAndFind]

The situation takes on an ironic tone, as OpenAI itself made substantial advancements by scraping data from the internet without explicit consent, a practice that has sparked criticism in the past. This has led to some questioning the ethics of how AI companies gather and use data.

[DesertRhino]

Hey, open AI stole that dataset from it’s previous owners fair and square!

[Steely Tom]

Chinese R&D consists exclusively of stealing our R&D.

[SmokingJoe]

OpenAI is pathetic.

[bigbob]

All your data sets are berong to us

[9YearLurker]

No honor among thieves.

[Sequoyah101]

Who would not be surprised that the chicoms stole American technology?

[SmokingJoe]

Nonsense,
For example look at the Chinese EV industry which is dominating every country. Pure hard work and innovation.

[PGR88]

All your data sets are berong to us

Well done!

[Trumpisourlastchance]

The thief claims foul.

[vpintheak]

Thieving ChiCOmms. Who’d a thunk!?
Any software and electronic hardware from China is suspect. I wish people would wake up!

[Ex gun maker.]

A pox on them ALL!
I refuse to knowingly use any AI.
I am sure it will be shoved down our throats, but I intend to spit it out as much as possible.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Exactly.

[imabadboy99]

China stealing american intellectual property?

You don’t say!

[imabadboy99]

guess who you’ll soon be talking to when you call a 1-800 number for assistance.

Too bad for the Indian call centers i suppose. But I’m sure the bushie ‘muh corporation’ neoCON scum will still come up with a reason to import 250 million Indians to the heart of the USA.

[linMcHlp]

GinkisK [01/29/2025]:

[The Chinese] "have already gone full cycle from mandating electric cars to totally scrapping them. They are happy to build them for export, however. They embrace technology must faster than Americans.

On the other hand, China is a surveillance state. If you jaywalk, you will soon find that a fine has been processed from your account. Greater crimes make you disappear pretty fast. It is a very efficient tyranny.

Americans are in for a bitter shock if they underestimate the Chinese."

[linMcHlp]

GinkisK > GingisK

[Bobalu]

Maybe we should use one of the open source AIs and train it using the Free Republic database of posts..

OpenFreep.. the common sense AI

Have it deliver results using a generated voice, perhaps with a Scottish brogue ... call it something like Angus MacBlunt..

lol, lots of comedy material there :-)

[Steely Tom]

Americans are in for a bitter shock if they underestimate the Chinese."

I don't underestimate their ability to steal our technology and use it for nasty purposes, including within their own country.

Purposes which we wouldn't tolerate, but against which their people have no Constitutional framework for protection.

[SmokingJoe]

Nonsense!
Vastly more EVs are made/sold in China per year than in any other country. Certainly far more then in America.
Without Tesla, Chinese EV companies would totally dominate the EV business.
Even then Tesla makes more EVs in China than anywhere else.