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"Dark oxygen" discovery upends centuries of scientific beliefs, textbooks to be rewritten
Earth.Com ^ | January 31, 2025 | Eric Ralls

Posted on 01/31/2025 7:46:26 AM PST by Red Badger

Scientists recently reported an unexpected deep-sea development in the Pacific: certain metallic rocks seem to be making oxygen in the dark, without light or sunshine, at the bottom of the ocean.

This idea runs counter to the usual belief that oxygen only forms in sunlight through photosynthesis.

Although these findings have stirred debate, the central claim is that potato-sized nodules found thousands of feet below the surface appear to split seawater molecules and release oxygen.

Oxygen and photosynthesis – the basics

Since the late 1700s, we’ve been taught that light creates oxygen through photosynthesis, a crucial natural process that keeps life on Earth thriving.

Plants, algae, and some bacteria soak up sunlight to turn carbon dioxide and water into glucose and oxygen.

In the simplest of terms, nature uses light as fuel to produce the oxygen we breathe and keep everything on Earth alive.

Photosynthesis not only gives energy to these organisms but also releases oxygen into the atmosphere, maintaining the perfect balance of gases that most life forms need.

Until the discovery of dark oxygen, it has been commonly accepted knowledge that without light, photosynthesis would grind to a halt, and our planet wouldn’t have the oxygen-rich air we rely on every day.

Deep-sea rocks making oxygen

Exploration in a region called the Clarion-Clipperton Zone – where deep-sea mining companies are eyeing metals resources like cobalt and nickel – uncovered ferromanganese nodules resting on the ocean floor.

Ferromanganese nodules are like little treasure rocks that settle on the ocean floor, packed with metals such as manganese and iron.

These nodules form slowly over millions of years as minerals from seawater build up in layers around a tiny core, like a shark tooth or a piece of shell.

Think of them as underwater onions, with each layer adding more minerals and creating these cool, rounded shapes.

Researchers suggested that the nodules may produce electric charges that spark electrolysis, generating oxygen and hydrogen.

How do the rocks produce oxygen?

Early studies raised plenty of questions about the process and the potential effect on seafloor life.

Leading the push for more answers is Andrew Sweetman, a professor at the Scottish Association for Marine Science.

He is running a three-year project to investigate how these nodules might form oxygen in the absence of light. One of his goals is to see if this phenomenon appears in other parts of the Clarion-Clipperton Zone.

“Our discovery of dark oxygen was a paradigm shift in our understanding of the deep sea and potentially life on Earth, but it threw up more questions than answers,” said Sweetman.

He and his team will also look into whether microbial reactions help release hydrogen, an energy source for certain deep-sea microbes.

Freshwater mysteries

Dark oxygen has popped up in other surprising, light-deprived places.

Emil Ruff detected oxygen in freshwater samples beneath Alberta, Canada. It appeared in groundwater that had been isolated for tens of thousands of years, yet still contained enough oxygen to support life.

“After 40,000 years or 30,000 years (separated from surface processes), there’s no reason really to think that there should be any oxygen left,” remarked Ruff.

He found that special bacteria could produce oxygen on their own by breaking down certain dissolved compounds.

What’s more, Ruff found that the quantity of oxygen produced was enough to sustain other oxygen-dependent microbial life in the groundwater.

Challenging dark oxygen

Not all scientists are in agreement about this dark oxygen discovery. Some deep-sea mining interests challenged Sweetman’s work, saying they have found no such electrical oddities in the nodules.

The Metals Co. submitted a rebuttal of the scientific research paper to Nature Geoscience, which awaits peer review.

Meanwhile, independent observers note the need for more experiments. A research oceanographer at the US Geological Survey’s Pacific Coastal and Marine Science Center in Santa Cruz, California, said the USGS has not observed any electrical phenomena in ferromanganese nodules examined so far.

She was not involved in either Sweetman’s or Ruff’s research.

NASA hopes these findings might hint at life in places beyond Earth. Dark ocean worlds like Jupiter’s moon Europa and Saturn’s moon Enceladus are prime targets for research.

Sweetman shared that the space agency wants to test whether high pressures found on those icy moons can trigger oxygen generation in deep-sea rocks without direct sunlight. If the same basic chemistry works there, it could point to possible microbial life in alien seas.

Dark oxygen and deep-sea mining

The Clarion-Clipperton Zone sits far offshore, and mining there is governed by the International Seabed Authority. Critics argue that removing nodules in huge volumes could destroy habitats.

Organizations like Fauna & Flora warn of irreparable harm, saying it may disturb carbon storage in the ocean. Sweetman believes it is risky to harvest seabed minerals until scientists know a lot more about these systems.

He acknowledges the controversy and plans to address critics in peer-reviewed forums. For now, the hunt for hard data continues, fueled by the hope of expanding our understanding of life – both here and possibly on other worlds.

The study is published in Nature Geoscience.


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1 posted on 01/31/2025 7:46:26 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping!..................


2 posted on 01/31/2025 7:46:53 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

bttt


3 posted on 01/31/2025 7:47:41 AM PST by linMcHlp
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To: Red Badger

But…but….but…cow farts are a threat to our democracy. No, wait…


4 posted on 01/31/2025 7:51:19 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: Red Badger

It makes me happy every time scientists turn out to be wrong.

These scientists are our most brilliant people, and we want them to be wise as well. A huge part of wisdom is knowing the limits of one’s knowledge.


5 posted on 01/31/2025 7:52:14 AM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: Red Badger

wow... this is as if someone planned this whole ecological system and man is just finding out about this... makes sense that fish need oxygen in the water and whoa, there is a way.


6 posted on 01/31/2025 7:52:15 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: Red Badger

Dark Brandon produces a mighty wind. But he does not produce oxygen.


7 posted on 01/31/2025 7:52:37 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: Red Badger

BTTT


8 posted on 01/31/2025 7:57:47 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Red Badger
We need to sequester all the carbon before it combines with this “new” source of oxygen and creates that CO2 pollutant.
9 posted on 01/31/2025 7:58:27 AM PST by kickstart ("A gun is a tool. It is only as good or as bad as the man who uses it" . Alan Ladd in 'Shane' )
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To: enumerated

These scientists are our most brilliant people, and we want them to be wise as well.


Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is indeed a fruit.

Wisdom is knowing not to use tomatoes in fruit salad.


10 posted on 01/31/2025 8:02:45 AM PST by nesnah (Infringe - act so as to limit or undermine [something]; encroach on)
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To: Red Badger

I would think it more chemical than via electrolysis. It’s not like the rocks formed and all of a sudden were cast into saltwater. The deposition of metals and oxygen creation would have to be part of the same reaction.


11 posted on 01/31/2025 8:03:18 AM PST by fruser1
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To: Red Badger

Very interesting. Not sure I like the name Dark Oxygen though., and there is no room on the periodic table for it.


12 posted on 01/31/2025 8:04:55 AM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: enumerated

“It makes me happy every time scientists turn out to be wrong.”

Why?


13 posted on 01/31/2025 8:05:18 AM PST by TexasGator ('r/11111.111''!11)
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To: teeman8r

Or, maybe not.


14 posted on 01/31/2025 8:06:42 AM PST by TexasGator ('r/11111.111''!11)
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To: fruser1

That was my first thought - that the rocks trapped oxygen when they formed. Or that they are catalyst splitting ocean H2O.


15 posted on 01/31/2025 8:08:14 AM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Red Badger

I blame global warming


16 posted on 01/31/2025 8:08:51 AM PST by struggle
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To: Red Badger

Christmas Valley Oregon is in a dry part of the state but is able to grow bounty crops of hay and alfalfa because of irrigation from very deep wells. The area was once an ancient lake but filled in and covered with ash from nearby volcanic Mt. Mazama (Crater Lake).

I was recently told that the pumps often get plugged with tiny blind fish.


17 posted on 01/31/2025 8:10:16 AM PST by Cold Heart (Democrat party is indefensibly evil)
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To: Red Badger; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
"Hi, I'm Doc Oxygen, welcome to the Morning Workout program." Thanks Red Badger.


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18 posted on 01/31/2025 8:14:01 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Red Badger

We used to get a weekly reader in grade school. The article is written for that level.

And this is not new science.


19 posted on 01/31/2025 8:16:08 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued, but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere)
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To: Red Badger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_oxygen

basic chemistry with a fancy new name..............


20 posted on 01/31/2025 8:18:08 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued, but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere)
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