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Many Catholics in the U.S. and Latin America Want the Church to Allow Birth Control and to Let Women Become Priests
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| September 26, 2024
| Jonathan Evans and Kelsey Jo Starr
Posted on 12/02/2024 2:21:56 PM PST by daniel1212

Most Catholics in all seven countries want the church to allow Catholics to use birth control.
In most of the countries surveyed, majorities of Catholics also say the church should allow women to become priests.
Opinion is more divided on whether the church should allow priests to get married.
Views on whether the church should recognize the marriages of gay and lesbian couples vary among Catholics in the countries surveyed.
Ten years ago, nearly all Catholics surveyed there (98%) expressed a favorable opinion of Francis, compared with 74% today.

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To: daniel1212
Why not join a Protestant church instead?
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posted on
12/02/2024 4:11:01 PM PST
by
Salman
(In Hell it is a punishable offense not to call it Heaven. )
To: daniel1212
WHO THE F CARES WHAT LIBERAL WOMEN WANT IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!
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posted on
12/02/2024 4:16:02 PM PST
by
Ann Archy
(Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
To: Responsibility2nd
Evangelicals do not believe birth control is wrong. Evangelical churches do not preach that Catholic Doctrine. As you must know, apart from testifying to being the most conservative significant religious body for decades, as well as voting 74-81% for the GOP presidential candidate, on contraceptives they overall embraced it, but in recent years there has been a minority but significant move against them, while evangelicalism itself becomes watered down (which included most definitions by surveys for them).
I am with the latter on this:
March 5, 2014
A good many evangelicals hope to do far more than sow seeds of doubt about the morality of birth control,” Mohler replied. “Our concern is to raise an alarm about the entire edifice of modern sexual morality and to acknowledge that millions of evangelicals have unwittingly aided and abetted that moral revolution by an unreflective and unfaithful embrace of the contraceptive revolution.” In a 2012 column for the Christian Post, Mohler said most evangelical Protestants welcomed the development of artificial birth control as a medical advance just as they celebrated the discovery of penicillin. A shift occurred in the 1980s, with the rise of the Religious Right and opposition to abortion on demand.
Contraceptives vs abortifacients Affirming life as sacred at the moment of conception caused many to view intrauterine devices not as contraceptives but abortifacients, he said, and that conviction has extended to the use of oral contraceptives. - https://www.baptiststandard.com/news/faith-culture/southern-baptist-attitudes-changing-on-birth-control/
Oct 7, 2017 How birth control became part of the evangelical agenda Trump’s latest birth control rollbacks seem like a victory for the religious right. But why?...
the evangelical stance on the ACA birth control mandate reflects a wider issue: the increased convergence of Catholics and evangelical Protestants — hardly historical allies — on social issues in the past few decades, as issues like the same-sex marriage debate and abortion have united the two socially conservative groups....
Talcott noted that objection to birth control among evangelicals had been more prevalent prior to the developments of the 20th century. Christians disenchanted by the outcomes of the sexual revolution, he said, might find themselves “attracted to the older view, the historic forms of marriage and Christianity and trying to see what resources are maybe there for trying to help us figure out what to do today in this sort of Wild West of Christianity...
For those evangelicals, birth control — particularly the Pill — represents the worst excesses of the sexual revolution:..
A 2015 article in Al Jazeera profiled a number of evangelical Christians who took this stance, including Andrew Walker, director of policy studies at the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, who said, “The idea of talking about children as a ‘scare’ and viewing them as an obstacle to the American dream, that’s not a Christian way of looking at family...
For some evangelicals, furthermore, birth control is synonymous not just with the sexual revolution but with feminism more generally. In 2001’s Lies Women Believe, a popular evangelical book by Christian radio host Nancy Leigh DeMoss, treats contraception as indicative of a much more insidious feminist mindset, coding it as a diabolical celebration of female selfishness that leads “to the legitimization and promotion of such practices as contraception, sterilization, and family planning. As a result, unwittingly, millions of Christian women and couples have helped further Satan’s attempts to limit human reproduction and thereby destroy life.”
This perspective reached its apex with fringe movements like “Quiverfull,” whose best-known representatives, the Duggars
And I should post this:
A bitter pill: Why Christians are rethinking contraception...
2 September 2024
Women’s wellbeing and the pill appear intertwined and symbiotic. So why have some secular feminists started to question this dogma?
One concern is medical: that the side effects of hormonal birth control have been downplayed. “Contrary to cultural myth, the birth-control pill impacts every organ and function of the body, and yet most women do not even think of it as a drug,” says Holly Grigg-Spall’s Pill: Or how we got hooked on hormonal birth control (Zero Books). “Depression, anxiety, paranoia, rage, panic attacks – just a few of the effects of the Pill on half of the over 80 per cent of women who pop these tablets during their lifetimes.”
Journalist Mary Harrington argues that hormonal contraception has affected not just our biology, but also our sexual appetites – ...”... “We have historically taken sex seriously because there’s the potential of creating another human, and once you take that out of the picture, something strange happens to the entire field of sexuality.”
“Global birthrates are declining: women on average had 4.7 children each in 1950; by 2100 this is projected to fall to 1.7…The result is that we are facing the prospect of shrinking, ageing societies in which there will be fewer working-age people for every retired person. This means fewer taxpayers to meet the growing costs of state pensions, healthcare and social care.”
Christians were unanimously against artificial birth control until the 20th century, especially in the early Church. “If we marry, it is only so that we may bring up children,” wrote Justin Martyr in First Apologia around AD 160. Similar sentiments were expressed by Athenagoras, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria and Lactantius. Hippolytus condemned women who “resorted to drugs for producing sterility” in his Refutation of All Heresies, written in the third century.
Luther and Calvin both condemned sex without procreation in their commentaries on Genesis. Calvin wrote: “When a woman in some way drives away the seed out the womb, through aids, then this is rightly seen as an unforgivable crime.” One of Luther’s criticisms of Catholicism was its encouragement of celibacy through monasticism and therefore its relegation of marriage and procreation in spiritual hierarchies. ... in The Christian Case Against Contraception (Wipf & Stock), pastor Brian Hodge argues that the historic case against birth control associated it with very serious sins: murder, sexual immorality and “rebellious acts of idolatry”.
More - https://www.premierchristianity.com/features/a-bitter-pill-why-christians-are-rethinking-contraception/18078.article
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posted on
12/02/2024 4:26:41 PM PST
by
daniel1212
(Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
To: daniel1212
Christianity isn’t a democracy.
64
posted on
12/02/2024 4:28:29 PM PST
by
TalBlack
(Time to use the Law and the Power. Good luck Mr. President.)
To: Salman
Why not join a Protestant church instead? Why? Does RC leadership make them feel unwelcome, or conservatives instead. Some do, join a Protestant church, yet, aside from those who truly become born of the Spirit with its profound basic changes in heart and life, they avoid true evangelical churches, since they would feel at home there.
* In the Bible, one is saved by penitent, heart-purifying, regenerating effectual faith, (Acts 10:43-47; Acts 15:7-9; Titus 3:5) in the risen Lord Jesus, who was sent by the Father to be the savior of the world. (1 John 4:14) who did everything Right, but then took responsibility for all we did Wrong, paying the price the forgiveness of our sin with His own sinless shed blood. (Isaiah 53:4–11 ; ; Col. 1:14) and rising again.
* And who now reigns in Heaven as mankind's present savior and future judge. (Acts 10:42; 1 Peter 3:18, 22)
* And faith in the above Lord Jesus is imputed for righteousness, (Romans 4:5) and results in following the Lord, (Jn. 10:27, 28; Romans 8:14) which is to formally begin with being baptized (Acts 2:38-47; 8:12,36,37)
* By which faith the redeemed soul is "accepted in the Beloved" and positionally seated with Him in Heaven, on His account, glory to God. (Ephesians 1:6; 2:6; cf. Phil. 3:21)
And those who die in that obedient faith will go to be forever with Him at death or His return (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; Heb, 12:22,23; 1Cor. 15:51 ff'; 1Thess. 4:17 )
In contrast to those who were never born of the Spirit or who terminally fall away. (Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:12; 10:25-39)
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posted on
12/02/2024 4:33:08 PM PST
by
daniel1212
(Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
To: Skwor
God allows people have their own agency, including thumbing their noses at Biblical teachings/warnings. No Church/Synagogue is immune to that "freedom" either.
To: usurper
The Church is not and never been a democracy nor should it be. Well, except when it comes to the Marian dogmas. In particular the much wanted fifth marian dogma.
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posted on
12/02/2024 4:40:23 PM PST
by
ealgeone
To: Responsibility2nd
The Apostles creed is not found in the Bible. The Apostles Creed has its foundation in scripture.
The Apostles’ Creed serves several important purposes within the Christian faith, particularly in the context of Western Christianity. Its origins can be traced back to early Christian communities, where it was likely used as a declaration of faith during baptismal rites. The creed encapsulates core beliefs that are fundamental to Christianity, providing a concise summary of essential doctrines.
1. Affirmation of Faith: One primary purpose of the Apostles’ Creed is to serve as a statement of belief for Christians. It articulates foundational truths about God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, which are central to Christian doctrine. By reciting the creed, believers affirm their faith in these core tenets.
2. Instruction for Catechumens: The creed was initially developed as part of the catechetical process for those preparing for baptism (known as catechumens). It provided a framework for teaching new converts about the essential beliefs of Christianity. This instructional role helped ensure that new members understood and accepted the fundamental aspects of the faith before being baptized.
3. Defense Against Heresy: The Apostles’ Creed also emerged in response to various heretical teachings that threatened early Christianity. By clearly outlining orthodox beliefs, it served as a tool for distinguishing true Christian doctrine from false teachings. This was particularly important during times when various interpretations of Christianity were proliferating.
4. Unity Among Believers: The creed fosters a sense of unity among Christians across different denominations and historical periods. By reciting a common statement of faith, believers express solidarity with one another and with Christians throughout history who have affirmed these same beliefs.
5. Liturgical Use: In contemporary practice, the Apostles’ Creed is often recited during worship services, particularly in Catholic and Protestant traditions. This liturgical use reinforces its role as a communal affirmation of faith and encourages reflection on its meaning within the context of worship.
In summary, the Apostles’ Creed serves as an affirmation of faith, an instructional guide for new believers, a defense against heretical views, a unifying statement among Christians, and an integral part of liturgical practices.
Top 3 Authoritative Sources providing this information.
- Lexham Bible Dictionary: A comprehensive resource that provides detailed entries on biblical topics including creeds and their historical significance within Christianity.
- Creeds by Kelly: A scholarly work that examines various creeds throughout church history, offering insights into their development and theological implications.
- Catechism of the Catholic Church: An authoritative text that outlines Catholic doctrine and teachings, including explanations regarding creeds and their role in expressing faith within the Church.
To: kenmcg
Majority doesn’t rule the Catholic Church. Absolutely.
I'm not Catholic but I know a church should be an absolute - a rock - and not subject to the whims of the times.
That option kinds of breaks down when the "leader" of the church is a nutcase though...
A church is a church, and if the members don't like it as is, they can establish their own version and call it something other than Catholicism.
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posted on
12/02/2024 5:05:20 PM PST
by
grobdriver
(The CDC can KMA!)
To: Bishop_Malachi
The difference is that evangelical churches do not accept or tolerate Christians who live opposite to their faith the way that the Catholic Church accepts people like Biden, Pelosi and others.
70
posted on
12/02/2024 5:08:50 PM PST
by
Responsibility2nd
(Climate Change is Real. Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall.)
To: NorthMountain
That obsession indicates they are on their way to finding the true Faith.
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posted on
12/02/2024 5:12:11 PM PST
by
Bigg Red
(Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
To: JesusIsLord
The Apostles Creed has its foundation in scripture.
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Perhaps. But the end result has been a tragedy leading untold millions in error.
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posted on
12/02/2024 5:13:51 PM PST
by
Responsibility2nd
(Climate Change is Real. Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall.)
To: Responsibility2nd
To heck with Apostolic tradition from those who actually experienced the events and fast forward 1900 years while making up crap out of thin air (From some Scofield translation that is an abomination from the original Apostolic source).
To: rollo tomasi
To heck with Apostolic tradition ....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
Agreed.
But to Catholics this is not just a tradition, it’s dogma that took the simple sola scriptura and went south with it.
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posted on
12/02/2024 5:43:40 PM PST
by
Responsibility2nd
(Climate Change is Real. Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall.)
To: Responsibility2nd
Early synods were legit but RC’ers/Orthodox to some extent have their own “after 1900 years” institutionalized dogma fluff that has no Apostolic authority/tradition either (All the post Jesus birth Marian stuff mainly). Still waiting for a legit pre-2nd century primary source (John wrote jack squat) about the “queen of the universe's ascension”. There are two traditional burial places for Mary though which begs the dogmatic question... All about Christ, will stick to that and constantly discern the administrative Church body until He comes back.
To: kenmcg
Majority doesn’t rule the Catholic Church.I know who DOES.
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posted on
12/02/2024 6:53:35 PM PST
by
kinsman redeemer
(The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
To: Petrosius
There is only one time in the New Testament where it was recorded that the people were gathered to decide an issue. ... no
(Acts 6:3) Therefore, brothers, pick out from among you seven men of good repute, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we will appoint to this duty. But we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”
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posted on
12/02/2024 6:59:05 PM PST
by
kinsman redeemer
(The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
To: kinsman redeemer
To: TalBlack
Christianity isn’t a democracy. No: but a tree is know by its overall fruit. In this case, it is more than just a few bad apples, but even notorious proabortion, prohomosexual Catholic public figures are manifestly considered to be members in life and in death by Rome, with ecclesiastical funerals in which it is conveyed that these souls (from Kennedy's to Chavez, etc.) will arrive in Heaven (at least eventually) due to having shares in the one true insurance company. Thus effectively telling the flock that they also have assurance of final salvation if they die as Catholics.
In reality, relatively few Catholics have truly had their "day of salvation," never having been born of the Spirit, as instead most have trusted in a false gospel.
And I speak from experience.
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posted on
12/02/2024 7:45:19 PM PST
by
daniel1212
(Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
To: daniel1212
"Many" Catholics...Tells me noting.
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posted on
12/02/2024 8:28:39 PM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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