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From Diamond Rain to Hidden Oceans: The True Secrets of Uranus and Neptune
Scitech Daily ^ | November 30, 2024 | Robert Sanders, University of California - Berkeley

Posted on 12/02/2024 6:09:06 AM PST by Red Badger

An exploded view of an ice giant planet such as Uranus or Neptune. A new theory proposes that below the dense atmosphere lies a water-rich layer (blue) that has separated from a deeper layer of hot, high-pressure carbon, nitrogen and hydrogen (amber). The pressure squeezes hydrogen out of methane and ammonia molecules, creating stratified hydrocarbon layers that cannot mix with the water layer, which prevents the convection that creates a dipolar magnetic field. Credit: Quanta magazine

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New research at UC Berkeley offers a fresh perspective on Uranus and Neptune’s interiors, indicating layered structures of water and hydrocarbons.

These findings account for the planets’ unusual magnetic fields and are supported by simulations showing that extreme conditions lead to hydrogen separation, which stabilizes the layers and inhibits convection.

The Mysteries of Uranus and Neptune

Diamond rain? Super-ionic water?

These are just two ideas scientists have proposed to explain what lies beneath the dense, bluish hydrogen-and-helium atmospheres of Uranus and Neptune — our solar system’s enigmatic yet seemingly unremarkable ice giants.

New Insights Into Ice Giants’ Interiors

Now, a researcher from the University of California, Berkeley, offers a new perspective. He suggests that the interiors of these planets are composed of distinct layers that, like oil and water, do not mix. This layered structure provides a compelling explanation for their unusual magnetic fields and challenges previous theories about the planets’ internal composition.

In a paper published on November 25 in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Burkhard Militzer argues that a deep ocean of water lies just below the cloud layers and, below that, a highly compressed fluid of carbon, nitrogen, and hydrogen. Computer simulations show that under the temperatures and pressures of the planets’ interiors, a combination of water (H2O), methane (CH3), and ammonia (NH3) would naturally separate into two layers, primarily because hydrogen would be squeezed out of the methane and ammonia that comprise much of the deep interior.

The Role of Layered Interiors in Magnetic Field Formation

These immiscible layers would explain why neither Uranus nor Neptune has a magnetic field like Earth’s. That was one of the surprising discoveries about our solar system’s ice giants made by the Voyager 2 mission in the late 1980s.

“We now have, I would say, a good theory why Uranus and Neptune have really different fields, and it’s very different from Earth, Jupiter, and Saturn,” said Militzer, a UC Berkeley professor of earth and planetary science. “We didn’t know this before. It’s like oil and water, except the oil goes below because hydrogen is lost.”

If other star systems have similar compositions to ours, Militzer said, ice giants around those stars could well have similar internal structures. Planets about the size of Uranus and Neptune — so-called sub-Neptune planets — are among the most common exoplanets discovered to date.

A diagram of the interior structure of Uranus showing four distinct layers: hydrogen (light blue); water (dark blue); hydrocarbons (red); and a rocky core (yellow). Uranus has a disordered magnetic field that originates from its water layer. The image also shows the extreme tilt of Uranus’s axis relative to its orbit and one of the faint rings of material that encircle the planet. Credit: Burkhard Militzer, UC Berkeley, and NASA

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Convection and Magnetic Field Insights

As a planet cools from its surface downward, cold and denser material sinks, while blobs of hotter fluid rise like boiling water — a process called convection. If the interior is electrically conducting, a thick layer of convecting material will generate a dipole magnetic field similar to that of a bar magnet. Earth’s dipole field, created by its liquid outer iron core, produces a magnetic field that loops from the North Pole to the South Pole and is the reason compasses point toward the poles.

But Voyager 2 discovered that neither of the two ice giants has such a dipole field, only disorganized magnetic fields. This implies that there’s no convective movement of material in a thick layer in the planets’ deep interiors.

To explain these observations, two separate research groups proposed more than 20 years ago that the planets must have layers that can’t mix, thus preventing large-scale convection and a global dipolar magnetic field. Convection in one of the layers could produce a disorganized magnetic field, however. But neither group could explain what these non-mixing layers were made of.

Breakthrough With Machine Learning

Ten years ago, Militzer tried repeatedly to solve the problem, using computer simulations of about 100 atoms with the proportions of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and hydrogen reflecting the known composition of elements in the early solar system. At the pressures and temperatures predicted for the planets’ interiors — 3.4 million times Earth’s atmospheric pressure and 4,750 Kelvin (8,000°F), respectively — he could not find a way for layers to form.

Last year, however, with the help of machine learning, he was able to run a computer model simulating the behavior of 540 atoms and, to his surprise, found that layers naturally form as the atoms are heated and compressed.

Hydrogen Separation and Gravity Match

“One day, I looked at the model, and the water had separated from the carbon and nitrogen. What I couldn’t do 10 years ago was now happening,” he said. “I thought, ‘Wow! Now I know why the layers form: One is water-rich and the other is carbon-rich, and in Uranus and Neptune, it’s the carbon-rich system that is below. The heavy part stays in the bottom, and the lighter part stays on top and it cannot do any convecting.’”

“I couldn’t discover this without having a large system of atoms, and the large system I couldn’t simulate 10 years ago,” he added.

The amount of hydrogen squeezed out increases with pressure and depth, forming a stably stratified carbon-nitrogen-hydrogen layer, almost like a plastic polymer, he said. While the upper, water-rich layer likely convects to produce the observed disorganized magnetic field, the deeper, stratified hydrocarbon-rich layer cannot.

When he modeled the gravity produced by a layered Uranus and Neptune, the gravity fields matched those measured by Voyager 2 nearly 40 years ago.

“If you ask my colleagues, ‘What do you think explains the fields of Uranus and Neptune?’ they may say, ‘Well, maybe it’s this diamond rain, but maybe it’s this water property which we call superionic,’” he said. “From my perspective, this is not plausible. But if we have this separation into two separate layers, that should explain it.”

Models for the interior structures of the ice-giant planets Uranus and Neptune have two distinct, intermediate layers: an upper, water-rich convecting layer where disorganized magnetic fields are generated, and a lower, non-convecting hydrocarbon-rich layer. New computer simulations show that icy materials naturally separate at high pressure and temperature into these two layers. Credit: Burkhard Militzer, UC Berkeley

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Comparing Uranus and Neptune

Militzer predicts that below Uranus’ 3,000-mile-thick atmosphere lies a water-rich layer about 5,000 miles thick and below that a hydrocarbon-rich layer also about 5,000 miles thick. Its rocky core is about the size of the planet Mercury. Though Neptune is more massive than Uranus, it is smaller in diameter, with a thinner atmosphere, but similarly thick water-rich and hydrocarbon rich layers. Its rocky core is slightly larger than that of Uranus, approximately the size of Mars.

Future Research and Confirmation

He hopes to work with colleagues who can test with laboratory experiments under extremely high temperatures and pressures whether layers form in fluids with the proportions of elements found in the protosolar system. A proposed NASA mission to Uranus could also provide confirmation, if the spacecraft has on board a Doppler imager to measure the planet’s vibrations. A layered planet would vibrate at different frequencies than a convecting planet, Militzere said. His next project is to use his computational model to calculate how the planetary vibrations would differ.

Reference:

“Phase separation of planetary ices explains nondipolar magnetic fields of Uranus and Neptune”

by Burkhard Militzer, 25 November 2024, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

DOI: 10.1073/pnas.2403981121

The research was supported by the National Science Foundation (PHY-2020249) as part of the Center for Matter at Atomic Pressures.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science; Travel; UFO's
KEYWORDS: astronomy; neptune; science; uranus
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To: Red Badger

“The grill”.......still not gettin’ it 😏


21 posted on 12/02/2024 6:48:21 AM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: Red Badger

I would like to see actual evidence of these things the astrophysicists love to claim. I’ll never forget the “settled science” that planets were rare occurrences. Then they lofted to first infrared satellite and found planets virtually everywhere.


22 posted on 12/02/2024 6:49:13 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: V_TWIN

Diamonds are a girl’s best friend..............not any more...........😏


23 posted on 12/02/2024 6:50:09 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger
---- "...any valuable mineral found in abundance would then be cheap."

Well observed. In addition to laws of physics and beyond, the so-called "law of supply and demand" remains in force. This includes in the animal kingdom when the required balance of "prey and predator" can only swing away to return to some sort of balance between them.

"...to supply Earth's energy needs for several thousand years" is probably right here on our little bit of the Creator's great work, far greater than we can even conceive.

24 posted on 12/02/2024 7:02:07 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

As long as there are ruminants, there will be methane.............


25 posted on 12/02/2024 7:06:27 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger
—— “As long as there are ruminants [ and the creatures who ruminate on ruminants ] , there will be methane.............” :)
26 posted on 12/02/2024 7:13:40 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Red Badger

I’ve always been interested in Neptune . . .Uranus not so much!


27 posted on 12/02/2024 9:08:30 AM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: V_TWIN

I don’t know the details except he came into a large inheritance and made sure she knew it was HIS and his alone. Boy did he spend it. All of the toys he wanted. Big parties. Expensive hobbies and she got nothing. Maybe she mentioned that to him. Anyway she’s stuck with a diamond she tried on but never wore still with the $20,000 receipt and box it came in just like she received it. He was always an azzho his whole life.


28 posted on 12/02/2024 9:16:11 AM PST by BipolarBob (Enough of this talk about narcissists, let's get back to talking about me.)
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To: Red Badger

Probably more methane from Uranus.
Sorry.... couldn’t resist...


29 posted on 12/02/2024 9:57:20 AM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and harder to find.)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

I agree with your theory about our Creator’s plans for our world. God is endowed with all wisdom & we are only slowly learning.


30 posted on 12/03/2024 1:03:26 PM PST by oldtech
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