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FR ^ | Jan 11 | RandFan

Posted on 01/11/2024 5:23:49 PM PST by RandFan

I don't care what FR neocons say

UK/US are officially bombing one of the poorest countries on Earth.

It's unconscionable.

I want peace. Enough.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: agitprop; debt; deficit; dodindustrialcomplex; hamas; ibtz; inflation; iran; islam; mullahloversonfr; rop; russia; stupidvanity; teamamericaworldpd; terroristloversonfr; vanity; yemen; zot
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To: Alberta's Child
"With all that in mind, I am astonished that the U.S. military leadership would be so reckless and incompetent that they’d have Navy vessels refueling in a war zone like that."

At the time of the attack: Bill Clinton, President. Hugh Shelton, Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. William Cohen, Secretary of Defense.

181 posted on 01/11/2024 8:54:10 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: mass55th

And I don’t think it has gotten any better since then.


182 posted on 01/11/2024 8:58:48 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: Alberta's Child
"And I don’t think it has gotten any better since then."

That's for damn sure.

183 posted on 01/11/2024 9:03:26 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: RandFan

I am not for being the worlds policemen or using the military to save private companie, ours or alliess (ie vietnam, for ex)

However, it is 100% reasonable for the military, wherever they are, to return fire on someone attacking them.

As an individual I claim that ability. For anyone, they will claim a right to return fire and defend themselves.

You are mixing up political military policies of an administration with the right to self protection/defense and the rules or warfare. No one is going to agree with you making such a big error.


184 posted on 01/11/2024 9:04:58 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: RandFan

Yemen has been a terrorist factory for years. The shipping lanes have to stay open.


185 posted on 01/11/2024 9:11:43 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: RandFan
"It's unconscionable.
I want peace. Enough."

Same here, except I want a 204,634 square miles of 4-inch- thick glass where Yemen currently squats...

186 posted on 01/11/2024 9:13:37 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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To: Alberta's Child

“I propose that the U.S. Navy will not provide protection to any ship in international waters that doesn’t meet the requirements established under the Jones Act for domestic shipping. Does this sound reasonable to you?”

No, because we would in effect be forcing our domestic law (the Jones Act applies to shipping between US ports, not international shipping) on the rest of the world.


187 posted on 01/11/2024 9:24:09 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: NWFree
Once all the ragheads are dead

Maybe it's just me, but there's just something about a kaffiyeh pulled up over a face that makes me want to smack it repeatedly with a baseball bat until I see red. If you know what I mean (and I think you do).

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188 posted on 01/11/2024 10:10:57 PM PST by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: RandFan
I can not recommend to your notice measures for the fulfillment of our duties to the rest of the world without again pressing upon you the necessity of placing ourselves in a condition of complete defense and of exacting from them the fulfillment of their duties toward us. The United States ought not to indulge a persuasion that, contrary to the order of human events, they will forever keep at a distance those painful appeals to arms with which the history of every other nation abounds. There is a rank due to the United States among nations which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war.

— George Washington, 5th Annual Address to Congress, 12/03/1793
This “poorest country” has been usurped by terrorists supported by a country that Biden has given multiple billions to, and they are using those billions to disrupt Red Sea traffic. This is Biden backpedaling.
189 posted on 01/11/2024 10:11:33 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: ought-six
I don’t see it that way at all. All we would be saying is that the U.S. military would only have responsibility for protecting American ships. Any other nations could have their own standards for their own shipping industries — including those that make port calls in the U.S.

The current scenario is beyond retarded. If you are a maritime shipping company you have every financial and regulatory incentive to domicile your company and flag your vessels in any country but the U.S. — and you can still count on the U.S. taxpayers to pay for the military protection of your ships. It’s astonishing that any American with half a brain would think this makes sense.

190 posted on 01/12/2024 4:03:05 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: RandFan

I’m with you.
This sh!t goes on as our border bleeds.


191 posted on 01/12/2024 4:46:36 AM PST by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Good point. And it seems similar to Iran encouraging Houthi troublemaking of various sorts.

Though I recall pretty much everyone having problems with the Barbary pirates (including the Brits). Most got out of it by paying the jizya or ransom. America paid a yearly “tribute”, but eventually refused to do so and took the war to the pirates.


192 posted on 01/12/2024 5:35:12 AM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: RandFan

I mean really you’re being silly. Diplomacy with pirates who are firing missiles and boarding ships at sea?

This is the perfect lesson because the pirates are attacking international shipping, and many here don’t understand how vital our military is to keeping free trade operating, or how valuable that trade is to our economy/ way of life.

And the article says we tried diplomacy through Iran for months, to no effect.


193 posted on 01/12/2024 6:02:37 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Alberta's Child

I think you are being short-sighted: 90% of the world’s goods are transported by sea. The US is the world’s largest consumer market. Maintaining freedom of shipping is absolutely essential to our national interests.

Here’s a list (as of 2023) of the world’s consumer markets:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_markets


194 posted on 01/12/2024 9:22:25 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six
I don't think I'm being short-sighted at all. In fact, I usually try to take a very long view of things. And I've been very tuned into this particular issue of global maritime shipping for a long time.

My biggest concern is that as a nation we have made a number of political and government policy decisions over the years that have brought us to a situation today that is completely untenable for a sovereign, independent nation. International trade is not a bad thing, but international trade that is seemingly carried out on everyone's terms except ours is a disaster -- and what you're seeing now in the Red Sea is one case study in how it all goes off the rails.

Let's look at where the last 50+ years have brought us ...

1. Chase many of our major manufacturing industries overseas through excessive regulation and unfavorable business conditions.
2. Make large swaths of America destitute in the process.
3. Chase all our maritime shipping companies overseas, too -- for the same reasons so many manufacturers have left.
4. Have U.S. taxpayers foot the bill for the U.S. Navy to protect Danish ships ... flying Panamanian or Liberian flags ... with crews of Filipino sailors ... delivering everything from cheap Chinese crap to critical materials and high-value electronic components here to the U.S.

No offense to anyone who has engaged me in thoughtful, intelligent discussions on this subject here on FR (and on this thread in particular), but you'd have to be retarded to think this makes any sense at all when it comes to protecting our own national interests.

195 posted on 01/12/2024 11:55:43 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: Alberta's Child

You argue absolutes; thus, you brook no dissension. And anyone who has the temerity to disagree, is — in your own words — RETARDED.

You could have made a cogent argument, but you chose not to.

More’s the pity.


196 posted on 01/12/2024 12:12:11 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six
I don’t think I was presenting anything other than factual information. To be honest, I’d be shocked to find anyone on this website who could read those four items I listed in my previous post and think it makes any sense at all.

$34 trillion in national debt is the inevitable consequence of that idiocy.

197 posted on 01/12/2024 12:21:56 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: Alberta's Child

You must like inflation then.


198 posted on 01/12/2024 1:29:56 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

What does inflation have to do with it?


199 posted on 01/12/2024 2:06:30 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: Alberta's Child
I don't know why these threads get polluted with posts from Freepers who think the current U.S. foreign/military policy environment in the Middle East is comparable to the Jefferson administration's actions regarding the Barbary States. They were also preying on ships of other nations. In 1815 US Navy ships teamed up with British and Dutch warships to fight the Barbary pirates. That's only because: (1) all three nations happened to be facing a common threat, and (2) it was not uncommon for civilian cargo ships in those days to travel in convoys with ships from multiple nations. None of this is applicable to the world today, because U.S. commercial shipping is almost non-existent in international trade.

No, the threat is very similar to that posed by the Barbary pirates. US commercial shipping may be nonexistent today, but we and our allies still depend heavily on maritime commerce, and the Red Sea is one of the world's busiest and most vital waterways.

200 posted on 01/12/2024 4:00:24 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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